Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 22nd Sep 2005 11:06 UTC
Apple Speaking yesterday at Apple's European conference, Apple Expo in Paris, Jobs said: "Microsoft is copying us with its operating system... Dell's trying to copy us with its hardware. That's fine but we'd like to not give them a map and show them where we're going to go. At least they can follow our taillights." Update: More from Jobs here.
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HiMD
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 22nd Sep 2005 13:10 UTC
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I find the iPod slightly overhyped too. For a number of reasons.

1) Apple *by far* was not the first to release a HDD-based mp3 player. Creative, for instance, had it's Nomad C more than a year before Apple released its iPod 1st Gen. It has a higher capacity too.

2) As far as online reports, lawsuits and more can tell me: the iPod, in all its incarnations, isn't as of good build quality as Apple's Mac products. Battery problems are abundant, for instance.

3) My most important point: HDD-based mp3 players are not the best solution for portable music. They are fragile, expensive (not just Apple's, other brands too), limited (as in, fixed storage size).

The best solution for portable audio these days is Sony's new HiMD. This is a continuation and huge improvement over the already good MD/NetMD/MDLP product line. A few advantages that HiMD has over HDD-based mp3 players:

- They weigh less;
- Can record from any source, anytime;
- One 5$ HiMD disk holds 1 GB of storage, any storage that is;
- MD disks are resiliant, and due to their hard plastic casing virtually scratch-proof;
- The MD technique is much less sensitive to dropping it on the floor etc. than HDDs are. My portable MD recorder fell down stairs numerous times; it got bathed in Cola (don't ask me how), and it still works. Try that with an mp3 player;
- All old MD/NetMD/MDLP disks are automatically reformatted in HiMD format to drastically increase capacity (backwards compatibility).
- Expandable: capacity is unlimited because you can always buy new disks;
- "Open": any operating system with USB mass storage drivers is supported by HiMD.
- Cheaper!

Just to name a few. HiMD also has some advantages over the old MD/NetMD/MDLP standards:

- Can now contain data;
- mp3 is supported (so no nescesity for Sony's format);

HDD-based mp3 players might be popular, but HiMD is vastly superior. *Also* to the iPod.

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RE: HiMD
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 22nd Sep 2005 13:22 in reply to "HiMD"
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2005-06-29

PS: I forgot:

- Better battery life. 32 hours of continuous playback!

There is a portable MDLP recorder from JVC that has 315 (!!) hours of continuous playback!

http://www.minidisc.org/part_JVC_XM-C3.html

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RE: HiMD
by GrapeGraphics on Thu 22nd Sep 2005 13:46 in reply to "HiMD"
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2005-07-07

Not all iPods are HD based... The iPod shuffle and nano are Flash based.

I think you guys all miss the point.

Apple has created a solution from hardware to software. They have made the best compromises they could at any given time. It's a balance between negotiating with record companies and making something useful and relevant. The iPod/iTunes solution is by far the best, and most consistant way of organizing and buying music. Sony's trying to mimic that of late... but most people who have bought into the iPod solution have already made the choice... they have something that works better than any other haphazzard solution. Yeah, some features aren't 'the best,' but they are more suitable to more people... Let's not forget the interface and the elegance of the design. I haven't seen a player that can compete with that.

IMHO Jb

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RE[2]: HiMD
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 22nd Sep 2005 13:56 in reply to "RE: HiMD"
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2005-06-29

I haven't seen a player that can compete with that.

I actually do not like the iPod interface. I cannot normally use that clickwheel thing, I always overshoot the item I need.

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I'm of an "older" generation I guess. I do not like mp3 players *in general*. I prefer to have one disk for one album (or sometimes one disk for one artist). I'm of the Cd generation; I don't download music (legally or illegally), I still buy my CDs the old-fashioned way, in a shop, preferably Pop-Eye in Alkmaar (Boterstraat 10, http://www.pop-eye.nl/ ). Heck, I even have 180 LPs and a LP player.

That's why MD is so perfect for me. It allows completel control over what music you carry with you, you can put one album on a disk, or 40. You can have 1GB of storage, or 100GB of storage. It's just more versatile.

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RE[2]: HiMD
by dukes on Thu 22nd Sep 2005 13:52 in reply to "HiMD"
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2005-07-06

Why didn't you just paste the whole press release for the HiMD? If the majority of the population actually cared for the kitchen sink of features, don't you think that player would sell more? For you it works out fine but for everyone else who satisfied their Apple lust has an iPod with some pretty good software to boot.

Apple doesn't do half-assed solutions like everyone else. Like GG said Apple "created a solution from hardware to software". And the iPod is functional for age groups of 4 to 99.

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RE: HiMD
by ma_d on Thu 22nd Sep 2005 14:52 in reply to "HiMD"
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2005-06-29

Flash drives are the future. The problem was that three years ago they weren't big enough for a "portable jukebox." They're not really today either, but in another year or two they should be plenty large enough.
And now you're seeing stuff like the Nano. 4GB, fits in the key pocket of your jeans and still has a nice interface.

People didn't buy iPods for lastibility; after 3 months people new the 1st gen iPods were junk. They bought them for their:
a.) Looks.
b.) Cool factor (Peer pressure).
c.) Interface.

The only thing innovative on iPod has been that interface. And that's really the only thing that seperates it today.
It's still plagued by:
1.) A bad reputation.
2.) Unreplaceable batteries.
3.) A scummy company selling it which doesn't refund the customers they ripped off on the first gen.
4.) Lack of support for good formats: ie ogg and flac.
5.) Someone tell me if this has changed, but my friends have complained about not being able to get songs from their iPod to their PC?
6.) They're too big, and come with the worst headphones.... Seriously, we're gonna have a generation of deaf people ;) .

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RE[2]: HiMD
by Who is That on Thu 22nd Sep 2005 15:48 in reply to "RE: HiMD"
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2005-07-02

funny, My First Gen is still going strong. seems that people just cannot take care of their devices.

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RE[2]: HiMD
by Who is That on Thu 22nd Sep 2005 15:49 in reply to "RE: HiMD"
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2005-07-02

oh, and the iPod to PC thing is true, because it is a light copy protection scheme designed to keep apple safe from the Sue Happy RIAA.

there are a bagillion tools out there that are free and will let you take the songs off, no problem.

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RE[2]: HiMD
by hobgoblin on Thu 22nd Sep 2005 18:26 in reply to "RE: HiMD"
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2005-07-06

thing is that himd have 1GB storage on a magnetoptical media thats about as cheap as a recordable cd.

compare that to a similar capacity flash, the cost is about the same as a cd/dvd-burner...

maybe the size is worth it, but i dont have a problem with the size of md players...

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RE: HiMD
by hobgoblin on Thu 22nd Sep 2005 18:23 in reply to "HiMD"
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2005-07-06

hear hear...

only problem right now is that you need sonicstage/connect player to transfer music to/from the himds.

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RE: HiMD
by AdamW on Fri 23rd Sep 2005 05:05 in reply to "HiMD"
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2005-07-06

I have somewhere around 40GB of music. I hate copying music to a player; I only ever want to have to do it once. I also hate not having all my music with me - 1GB may well be enough for any realistic length of time, but my problem is that I always find I don't have the *right* 1GB with me (I feel in the mood to listen to an album I didn't bring).

So how is a HiMD player better than a 40-60GB hard disk player, for me? Do you suggest I buy 40 HiMD discs and carry 'em all around with me?

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RE[2]: HiMD
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 23rd Sep 2005 05:29 in reply to "RE: HiMD"
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2005-06-29

So how is a HiMD player better than a 40-60GB hard disk player, for me? Do you suggest I buy 40 HiMD discs and carry 'em all around with me?

I don't need all my music with me, so that doesn't count for me. Hell, I would need three iPods to carry all my music with me, were I to convert all my CDs and LPs to mp3...

I usually listen to only one or two albums a day, and I only have as total travel time of 3 hrs, of wich an hour or two are with friends.

Other than that, a HDD isn't made for portability. It's like playing catch with expensive china every day.

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RE[2]: HiMD
by on Sat 24th Sep 2005 03:42 in reply to "HiMD"
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having had several minidisk units, i dissagree.

the build quality is excellent.they last long on batteries. they sound great. Everything about minidisks is great - except sony's software. which is complete crap. sony's software made me hate my minidisc within a few months. And most of the new units don't even have a line in. so you are forced to do everything through their software.

if i diddn't have to use their software. If you could just copy files to it. and it would play mp3's and ogg files. it would be awesome. i would have one. probably 2.

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RE[3]: HiMD
by on Sat 24th Sep 2005 03:57 in reply to "HiMD"
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ohhh, nm i diddn't read it. your saying you can put mp3's on the himd unit, and it can play them back?? and i can also use this in linux?

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