Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 24th Feb 2009 10:24 UTC
Novell and Ximian Obviously, Linux vendors will not remain untouched by the economic downturn. Novell has already announced a number of lay offs, and the openSUSE Linux division has not been spared. openSUSE board members Pascal Blesser and Bryen Yunashko announced the lay offs.
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RE: Why Opensuse?
by ennoil on Tue 24th Feb 2009 12:25 UTC in reply to "Why Opensuse?"
ennoil
Member since:
2009-02-24

I think you will find that the article does not say that OpenSUSE has been targeted, just that it has not been spared. What is more troubling is that while they are laying off openSUSE folks, they are brining on .NET developers to help with MONO.
Novell is becoming too good friends with Microsoft as far as I can tell...

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RE[2]: Why Opensuse?
by segedunum on Tue 24th Feb 2009 13:56 in reply to "RE: Why Opensuse?"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

It certainly strikes me as a tad insensitive that they are laying off OpenSuse workers and then hoping that they will still continue to work on the project. If the parent company cannot provide direction for it, why should some former workers who have been sacked do that work for them for nothing? It's possible more outside companies will get involved in the project, but I don't see why they would help the main sponsor out here.

Novell have seemingly fallen into a trap that many companies do when it comes to open sourcing things. They hope that they can just throw something out there and hope that they will then benefit from other peoples' ideas and code because they themselves have ran out of ideas. You can't do that. An open source project needs direction, grounding and adequate incentives for many external contributors to get involved.

Edited 2009-02-24 14:13 UTC

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RE[3]: Why Opensuse?
by Windows Sucks on Tue 24th Feb 2009 14:43 in reply to "RE[2]: Why Opensuse?"
Windows Sucks Member since:
2005-11-10

They hope that they can just throw something out there and hope that they will then benefit from other peoples' ideas and code because they themselves have ran out of ideas. You can't do that. An open source project needs direction, grounding and adequate incentives for many external contributors to get involved.


You are right about that. More people need to look at Red Hat to see how Open Source is done right.

Red Hat is making a mint from Linux without totally pissing off Open Source supports or customers!

Red Hat has learned how to provide value in what they offer and people will pay for something of value.

Look what happened with Oracle. They tried to under cut Red Hat with Red Hats own product. But they can't offer the value. And that value is knowledge, control of their product time lines and great support.

Yes Oracle can provide a similar product and lower cost support, but are they really knowlageable? Do they really have the skill and support level that Red Hat has? Can they even patch their OS?? And what is the time frame on that patching etc??

Out of that you have Fedora. Red Hat gets MILLIONS of dollars in free R&D by having their normal paid staff to develop on Fedora and roll those well tested pieces up to their enterprise products. Unlike Novell this is not a seperate paid staff that can be cut. These are core Red Hat developers that develop what end up being Enterprise level components on Fedora, have them tested by the millions of Fedora users out there then roll those ideas up. They are not just making Fedora (Like Novell) to please open source users. Fedora is a major piece of their business model on the OS side.

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RE[2]: Why Opensuse?
by gfolkert on Tue 24th Feb 2009 14:04 in reply to "RE: Why Opensuse?"
gfolkert Member since:
2008-12-15

Novell is becoming too good friends with Microsoft as far as I can tell...


Really? I never noticed the Voucher Program. Now I've not noticed this. These two thing in particular are disturbing. Can you please tell me how this means Novell and Microsoft are "partners"?

Really? there is really *NO* evidence they are getting cozy...




Ummm... Yeah. Just what have you been (NOT) noticing the last few years?

Thank you very much Mister Captain Obvious. Consider me "awoke"

/me apologizes for being sarcastic this morning. PCI compliance is a PITA and is ruining my day with farcical requirements aimed at that one OS that keeps getting worms, virus(es?), trojans, key-loggers, Active Hexploits... etc.

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RE[2]: Why Opensuse?
by moleskine on Tue 24th Feb 2009 17:17 in reply to "RE: Why Opensuse?"
moleskine Member since:
2005-11-05

That's ironic. I'm typing this on OpenSuSE 11.1 x64 and the one thing that's wobbly is Mono. In fact one flagship Mono app doesn't work at all and I be surprised if it ever has since it seems OpenSuSE haven't yet got around to updating it to a newer, patched version. Another flagship mono app causes freezing and general weird behaviour. Hmmn ...

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