Linked by Kroc Camen on Tue 24th Feb 2009 14:55 UTC
Apple Apple released the Safari 4 Beta today. Features: Tabs on top. "Top Sites" 'Speed Dial' feature. "Smart" address/search fields. HTML5 Canvas. HTML5 Audio/Video (though no Ogg). Acid 3. CSS Animation/Gradients/Masks/Reflection. CSS Web Fonts. New "Nitro" Javascript engine - "Up to 4 times faster than Firefox 3.1". 'Native' look and native font rendering on Windows Vista/XP. I can think of only one thing: "Now witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational battle station!"
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RE: 150 features
by Kroc on Tue 24th Feb 2009 16:43 UTC in reply to "150 features"
Kroc
Member since:
2005-11-10

Who cares as long as it’s in our laps.
Let’s not forget that Safari was the first publicly shipping browser to render Acid 2, and now the first publicly shipping browser to render Acid 3. Apple invented the canvas tag and were key in CSS animation and transforms.

There’s tons of innovation here, don’t doubt it.

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RE[2]: 150 features
by rajan r on Tue 24th Feb 2009 16:47 in reply to "RE: 150 features"
rajan r Member since:
2005-07-27

Uhm, Opera 10 Alpha 1 beat Safari to the punch. Unless you're saying the beta release is a general release.

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RE[3]: 150 features
by Kroc on Tue 24th Feb 2009 16:49 in reply to "RE[2]: 150 features"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

Ah, well said. Safari 4 beta is a for-public-consumption release, offered by default. Opera 10 isn’t.

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RE[3]: 150 features
by arpan on Tue 24th Feb 2009 17:50 in reply to "RE[2]: 150 features"
arpan Member since:
2006-07-30

Check your details.

Opera claimed to pass it first. But there was a bug in the test, which the Safari team found. Once this bug was corrected, Safari was the first one to get 100/100 in Acid 3.

But getting 100/100 is not enough to pass the test. The browser also has to render the animation smoothly with a certain maximum time per test.

Safari with it's new JS engine manages to do that. Opera's JS engine isn't fast enough to do that yet. So Opera only passes a part of the text.

See what the text says: http://acid3.acidtests.org/

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RE[3]: 150 features
by someone on Wed 25th Feb 2009 02:35 in reply to "RE[2]: 150 features"
someone Member since:
2006-01-12

Uhm, Opera 10 Alpha 1 beat Safari to the punch. Unless you're saying the beta release is a general release.


Actually, WebKit (alpha-quality builds of Safari) beat Opera 10 alpha 1 to the punch.

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RE[2]: 150 features
by Laurence on Tue 24th Feb 2009 16:58 in reply to "RE: 150 features"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Who cares as long as it’s in our laps. Let’s not forget that Safari was the first publicly shipping browser to render Acid 2, and now the first publicly shipping browser to render Acid 3. Apple invented the canvas tag and were key in CSS animation and transforms. There’s tons of innovation here, don’t doubt it.


Actually both IE8 and Opera 9.6 / 10 (or whatever the lastest version number will be) betas scored 100% on Acid3.
Given this is no more than a beta and the fact that Opera's latest beta is publically downloadable (I believe - though unsure - the same is true with IE8) - I really don't see any truth in your / Safari's claim.

As for inventing tags - I get nervous when browsers create tags outside of w3c's control.

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RE[3]: 150 features
by Kroc on Tue 24th Feb 2009 17:11 in reply to "RE[2]: 150 features"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

IE8 does not pass Acid 3! It doesn’t support SVG for starters.

Secondly, this claim was made by Apple on their features page. I’m with them, in that Safari 4 is a browser for public use, offered by default on the website. Opera 10 is not, you have to specifically go to opera.com/next to get it. Opera may have rendered Acid 3 first in the labs, but it needs to be in people’s laps, and Safari has done that better.

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RE[3]: 150 features
by someone on Wed 25th Feb 2009 02:37 in reply to "RE[2]: 150 features"
someone Member since:
2006-01-12


Actually both IE8 and Opera 9.6 / 10 (or whatever the lastest version number will be) betas scored 100% on Acid3.
Given this is no more than a beta and the fact that Opera's latest beta is publically downloadable (I believe - though unsure - the same is true with IE8) - I really don't see any truth in your / Safari's claim.

As for inventing tags - I get nervous when browsers create tags outside of w3c's control.


HTML 5 is a w3c working draft. It is being development in cooperation with Mozilla and Opera.

Edited 2009-02-25 02:38 UTC

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