Linked by Kroc Camen on Tue 24th Feb 2009 14:55 UTC
Apple Apple released the Safari 4 Beta today. Features: Tabs on top. "Top Sites" 'Speed Dial' feature. "Smart" address/search fields. HTML5 Canvas. HTML5 Audio/Video (though no Ogg). Acid 3. CSS Animation/Gradients/Masks/Reflection. CSS Web Fonts. New "Nitro" Javascript engine - "Up to 4 times faster than Firefox 3.1". 'Native' look and native font rendering on Windows Vista/XP. I can think of only one thing: "Now witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational battle station!"
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RE[2]: 150 features
by Laurence on Tue 24th Feb 2009 16:58 UTC in reply to "RE: 150 features"
Laurence
Member since:
2007-03-26

Who cares as long as it’s in our laps. Let’s not forget that Safari was the first publicly shipping browser to render Acid 2, and now the first publicly shipping browser to render Acid 3. Apple invented the canvas tag and were key in CSS animation and transforms. There’s tons of innovation here, don’t doubt it.


Actually both IE8 and Opera 9.6 / 10 (or whatever the lastest version number will be) betas scored 100% on Acid3.
Given this is no more than a beta and the fact that Opera's latest beta is publically downloadable (I believe - though unsure - the same is true with IE8) - I really don't see any truth in your / Safari's claim.

As for inventing tags - I get nervous when browsers create tags outside of w3c's control.

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RE[3]: 150 features
by Kroc on Tue 24th Feb 2009 17:11 in reply to "RE[2]: 150 features"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

IE8 does not pass Acid 3! It doesn’t support SVG for starters.

Secondly, this claim was made by Apple on their features page. I’m with them, in that Safari 4 is a browser for public use, offered by default on the website. Opera 10 is not, you have to specifically go to opera.com/next to get it. Opera may have rendered Acid 3 first in the labs, but it needs to be in people’s laps, and Safari has done that better.

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RE[4]: 150 features
by Laurence on Tue 24th Feb 2009 17:22 in reply to "RE[3]: 150 features"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

IE8 does not pass Acid 3! It doesn’t support SVG for starters. Secondly, this claim was made by Apple on their features page. I’m with them, in that Safari 4 is a browser for public use, offered by default on the website. Opera 10 is not, you have to specifically go to opera.com/next to get it. Opera may have rendered Acid 3 first in the labs, but it needs to be in people’s laps, and Safari has done that better.


So Safari wins the award of making it's beta software easier for n00bs to download - big deal.
Fact is Opera is still publicly downloadable, despite whatever semantics Apple's BS crew spew out on their web site.

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RE[4]: 150 features
by Laurence on Tue 24th Feb 2009 17:25 in reply to "RE[3]: 150 features"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

IE8 does not pass Acid 3!


Sorry, you're right about IE8. I don't run windows so couldn't test it though I was sure I read an article saying it had. Clearly I must have dreamt it :$

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RE[4]: 150 features
by Vide on Tue 24th Feb 2009 17:27 in reply to "RE[3]: 150 features"
Vide Member since:
2006-02-17

IE8 does not pass Acid 3! It doesn’t support SVG for starters.

Secondly, this claim was made by Apple on their features page. I’m with them, in that Safari 4 is a browser for public use, offered by default on the website. Opera 10 is not, you have to specifically go to opera.com/next to get it. Opera may have rendered Acid 3 first in the labs, but it needs to be in people’s laps, and Safari has done that better.


Sorry Kroc, you are just too much biased. Laurence is right, Opera pre-release is publically available just as it is now Safari pre-release, so Safari wasn't the first Acid3 browser. It doesn't matter if Safari is better linked in Apple's homepage than Opera in Opera's homepage, this is just "an implementation detail". The fact is that if you wanted, 2 days ago you could have entered opera.com and downloaded an Acid3 browser.

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RE[3]: 150 features
by someone on Wed 25th Feb 2009 02:37 in reply to "RE[2]: 150 features"
someone Member since:
2006-01-12


Actually both IE8 and Opera 9.6 / 10 (or whatever the lastest version number will be) betas scored 100% on Acid3.
Given this is no more than a beta and the fact that Opera's latest beta is publically downloadable (I believe - though unsure - the same is true with IE8) - I really don't see any truth in your / Safari's claim.

As for inventing tags - I get nervous when browsers create tags outside of w3c's control.


HTML 5 is a w3c working draft. It is being development in cooperation with Mozilla and Opera.

Edited 2009-02-25 02:38 UTC

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