Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 28th Feb 2009 11:47 UTC
Apple A few days ago, Apple surprised everyone by releasing the first beta of Safari 4, the company's latest version of their WebKit browser. While I generally love Safari on the Mac (my browser of choice on that side of the fence), I've never felt as comfortable with it on the Windows side of things. In any case, this latest beta has made a very bold move in the interface department, and I'm sad to say that it's not for the better. Let me explain where it went wrong for Apple.
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RE: What?
by Thom_Holwerda on Sat 28th Feb 2009 15:34 UTC in reply to "What?"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

Can you, for once, make a point in plain English, as well as without any insults or nasty words? I cannot possibly take you serious this way. I'm sorry.

I did find that link of yours interesting. I don't think you read it very well, because the author actually agreed with me about the tabs. Edit: In fact, BOTH of your links agree with my position, and bring forward similar arguments! Did you really read those links, or what?!?

But this is all trivial compared to the dramatic changes to tabs. Having tabs at the top is a very logical thing to do; tabs do take precedence over other controls, and are relevant at the top; but two things are possibly confusing; having no title bar to drag the window around with, which you are used to, and the ‘travel time’ of bringing your cursor to the top of the window to switch tabs is greater. I found it uncomfortable at first; I’d like to know what you think. I think it’ll grow on me, though.


What's interesting is that that link of yours focusses on the new functionality in Safari 4, not the UI per se. And yes, I do consider myself knowledgable on this subject. I've spent a hell of a lot of time reading, studying, and writing about UI design.

No, I'm not claiming that I'm "right", or that my opinion is all that matters. That's why this is an editorial - as in, a personal opinion. I suggest that for your next comment, you try to come up with counterarguments, in understandable English, without insults or nasty words.

Then we'll see if you actually have anything to contribute. Because right now, you're just flying insults around.

Edited 2009-02-28 15:37 UTC

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RE[2]: What?
by mrhasbean on Sun 1st Mar 2009 00:53 in reply to "RE: What?"
mrhasbean Member since:
2006-04-03

No, I'm not claiming that I'm "right", or that my opinion is all that matters.


"Let me explain where it went wrong for Apple."

O RLY!?

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RE[2]: What?
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Sun 1st Mar 2009 05:13 in reply to "RE: What?"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Speaking of user interfaces, the parent that Thom was responding to was modded down to -1 which makes it less noticeable. But Thom's response was modded up making it more noticeable. The net effect on the UI made it seem as if Thom was replying to the post above the one he was. I re-read it over and over for a while to figure out what the heck Thom was reacting to.

Maybe Im crosseyed, or maybe just tired and have a form of post dsylexia not yet classified by scientists, but that's what I saw.

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RE[2]: What?
by axel on Sun 1st Mar 2009 23:03 in reply to "RE: What?"
axel Member since:
2006-02-04

And yes, I do consider myself knowledgable on this subject. I've spent a hell of a lot of time reading, studying, and writing about UI design.


While I'm not saying your wrong in this instance, usability is not a scholastic discipline, its a scientific discipline. Reading about usability only makes you knowledgeable about things which have already been studied, so unless you've got an empirical study on Safari's tabs your opinion on it isn't really any better than that of some one who doesn't have a usability hobby.
A couple of flaws in your "analysis" jumps out particularly: the idea that reordering tabs is an important enough behavior that it needs to be supported from anywhere on the tab (this is really the sort of thing that needs to be backed up) and the "10km abyss" effect, the inclusion of which assumes that it isn't isolated to yourself.

And yes, I do consider myself knowledgable on this subject. I've spent a hell of a lot of time ... writing about UI design.


This is an especially bizarre way of trying to give your opinions weight which isn't isolated to this thread either. You frequently link your usability terms articles as a way to argue your case. Let's think about that: you use your own opinions to prove your opinions.

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RE[2]: What?
by mxcl on Thu 5th Mar 2009 18:34 in reply to "RE: What?"
mxcl Member since:
2008-05-22

Thom, the saddest thing is how far OSNews has fallen that all these plonkers here agree with your rambling, moronic crap.

Edited 2009-03-05 18:35 UTC

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