Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 28th Feb 2009 11:47 UTC
Apple A few days ago, Apple surprised everyone by releasing the first beta of Safari 4, the company's latest version of their WebKit browser. While I generally love Safari on the Mac (my browser of choice on that side of the fence), I've never felt as comfortable with it on the Windows side of things. In any case, this latest beta has made a very bold move in the interface department, and I'm sad to say that it's not for the better. Let me explain where it went wrong for Apple.
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RE[2]: What?
by dagw on Sat 28th Feb 2009 16:13 UTC in reply to "RE: What?"
dagw
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2005-07-06

Again, he's the user.

Well no. He's _a_ user. One among millions, no more important or significant than most. There is no reason why his experience should be representative, or for his opinion to carry any absolute weight.

if his opinion is to be rendered useless

And that would be fine, had he presented his ideas as opinion. He doesn't. He makes absolutist statements leaving no room the concept of opinion. He is Right and Apple "got it wrong". Now that is certainly his prerogative and no doubt did it precisely to be provocative and generate comments, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be called on the inanity of his rant.

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RE[3]: What?
by Nelson on Sat 28th Feb 2009 16:47 in reply to "RE[2]: What?"
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2005-11-29


Well no. He's _a_ user. One among millions, no more important or significant than most. There is no reason why his experience should be representative, or for his opinion to carry any absolute weight.


No one is claiming it does, merely that the exact opposite also is not true. Perhaps I worded it wrongly, but that's the point I was trying to convey.


And that would be fine, had he presented his ideas as opinion. He doesn't. He makes absolutist statements leaving no room the concept of opinion. He is Right and Apple "got it wrong". Now that is certainly his prerogative and no doubt did it precisely to be provocative and generate comments, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be called on the inanity of his rant.


I think a lot of what he wrote was written more like "X is Y in my opinion" or "I think X is Y", adding that tagline disclaimer after every thing he says, especially in what obviously is an opinion article, is impractical. To me, it seemed perfectly valid.

He even clarified, to calm any remaining doubts, that this was an opinion piece, specifically his opinion, I happen to agree, but like I've stated, UI design is extremely subjective so no one can ever be "Right".

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RE[3]: What?
by weildish on Sat 28th Feb 2009 19:57 in reply to "RE[2]: What?"
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2008-12-06

For heaven's sakes-- this is all splitting hairs. This is an editorial. An opinion. One opinion. Take it and agree with it or take it and disagree with it. That's really the point of the comments feature-- to agree, disagree, discuss, add more information. Commenting on the fact that he's just one user and that one user's opinion doesn't matter is all subjective. So what if OSNews stopped publishing editorials-- which are essentially the opinion of one person? I imagine life would get pretty boring around here at times. If you don't like the opinion, don't try to discredit the person whether arrogant or not-- use your own opinion to counter it, and even throwing in some facts to support your opinion is a great idea.

Huff. I wouldn't have said anything to feed the fire except this often happens here whether it's the opinion of an editor or the opinion of another commenter that sparks the tempest.

Edited 2009-02-28 20:01 UTC

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