Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 22nd Sep 2005 15:51 UTC, submitted by William Lahti
Linux The first snapshot release of Komodo, a next-generation Linux/.NET-based operating system, is now available. "A new desktop environment codenamed Dagon is now being developed with [D-Bus, Composite, Linux 2.6] to bring a new face of Linux to users. The environment is being developed around the Emotion graphics/UI toolkit to best make use of these new display and communication technologies as well as to provide a solid and useable interface for casual users." Get the latest snapshots from their FTP servers. Read more information for developers, users and enterprise users.
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RE: Imagine
by Teebo on Thu 22nd Sep 2005 17:38 UTC
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2005-07-28

> Maybe we need to imagine for a moment why don't stop
> KDE and Gnome Development, and other desktops, and > rethink the new desktop for linux. 100% freedesktop
> compliant.

If I get you right, we should stop developing what we have (Gnome & KDE) and start from scratch.

> Why don't see where we want to see the linux
> desktop on 2015. Do a ten years roadmap.

Great, let's throw away the work of nearly ten years and start over. Maybe in another ten years, we have a product that can copete then? If you don't have a desktop that can be improved by evolution instead of revolution (i.e. start from scratch), you are lost. Imagine, in ten years the desktop you imagine today is totally outdated again. So do you want to start over then again?

Also, what do you mean by "fully freedesktop-compliant". fd.o is meant to be a cooperation-platform between _existing_ environments.
fd.o does not define standards. There is a lot of crap on fd.o that nobody ever implemented and used in production code. These are no standards, and if one of the two DEs which uses it proposes it at fd.o, that doesn't make its solution superior or something the other DE must adopt by all means to adhere to standards.

Something becomes a de-facto standard on fd.o if the main DE's use it. Right now this means KDE+gnome (and to some extend XFCE and maybe enlightenment in the future, who knows). For the successful projects on fd.o, it worked usually like this: DE1 developed solution X and used it successfully in their project. DE2 sees the benefits of X (the technical aspects and the ones that come from collaboration and joined effort) and adopts it.

Development in FOSS will never work via design by comittee but "bottom-up" me thinks.

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RE[2]: Imagine
by qlscohen on Thu 22nd Sep 2005 18:24 in reply to "RE: Imagine"
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2005-09-22

>f I get you right, we should stop developing what we have (Gnome & KDE) and start from scratch.

I don't talking about kill the actual desktop projects, only rethink. maybe join the efforts to One Desktop. i like the diversity but linux there is very very very very, diversity. ( on Desktop Side ) there are so much personal developer touchs on his developments.

> Also, what do you mean by "fully freedesktop-compliant". fd.o is meant to be a cooperation-platform between _existing_ environments.

You Are Right, it was my error ( i was bad inspired ;) ) but the freedesktop inteoperability is a begin to unify some parts of software betwen the two mayors desktops developments on linux.

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RE[2]: Imagine
by on Thu 22nd Sep 2005 23:04 in reply to "RE: Imagine"
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"If I get you right, we should stop developing what we have (Gnome & KDE) and start from scratch. "

Rule number one in programming. Turn in your first draft.

"Development in FOSS will never work via design by comittee but "bottom-up" me thinks."

And it shows in the GUI.

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RE[3]: Imagine
by on Fri 23rd Sep 2005 00:05 in reply to "RE: Imagine"
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If I get you right, we should stop developing what we have (Gnome & KDE) and start from scratch.

Worked for Gnome.

Worked for Apple.

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RE[4]: Imagine
by on Fri 23rd Sep 2005 00:38 in reply to "RE[3]: Imagine"
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Worked for apple? How so?

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RE[2]: Imagine
by fury on Fri 23rd Sep 2005 15:39 in reply to "RE: Imagine"
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2005-09-23

I don't want to throw away anything! We are not just ignoring KDE and GNOME and Apple and Microsoft and BeOS etc. Years ago we had _different_ ideas about what those pieces of software were to become than we do now. As such actually doing the things we want inside the older frameworks takes much more time than doing a clean from-scratch implementation.

Komodo will comply with Freedesktop standards and integrate Freedesktop software everywhere that is appropriate, such that Komodo can support software which expects this stuff. Do you want us to WAIT until we are an "existing platform" BEFORE we start doing this stuff, or do you want us to integrate it all in from the start so that it feels tight! Duh!

I'm not concerned with what GNOME or KDE does with the FD software/standards. They can do what they want. I just know that _I_ will be implementing that infrastructure into my platform right away so it's all a natural fit.

Development in FOSS can work design by committee, especially when you replace "committee" with "community" and put more emphasis on design. Then you get

"Development in FOSS can work design by community", where the community is not just jumping up and throwing some random code down but actually considering their actions and doing what is sound design/usability-wise.

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