Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 1st Mar 2009 17:26 UTC, submitted by kaiwai
Hardware, Embedded Systems Long-time OSNews reader Kaiwai has written down his experiences with his Acer Aspire One, Linux, and Windows. He concludes: "After a hectic few weeks trying to get Linux to work, I am back to square one again - a netbook running Windows XP SP3 as it was provided by Acer when I purchased it. I gave three different distributions a chance to prove themselves. I expected all three distributions to wipe the floor with Windows XP - after all, these are the latest and greatest distributions the Linux world have to offer. There has been at least 7 years since the release of Windows XP for Linux to catch up to Windows XP and from my experience with Linux on this said device - it has failed to step up to the plate when it was needed."
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Clueless
by segedunum on Mon 2nd Mar 2009 23:07 UTC
segedunum
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2005-07-06

While I am a pretty strong advocate of open source software in many uses and the share and share alike philosophy of the GPL (it works basically), it's always astonishing to me how clueless people are as to how far off we really are at getting a fully integrated open source destop system to compete with Windows.

All Kaiwai was pointing out is that there is only so much of the "Oh, just read this guide, and oh, just point to these repositories" advice you can take before it simply becomes counterproductive. Why the hell is this article not relevant, and why should it not be posted? Are we supposed to say nothing about desktop Linux and say nothing against demi-Gods like Ubuntu?

I think we all need to get a firm grip and admit where we are a long way short in the open source, free desktop world.

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RE: Clueless
by lemur2 on Tue 3rd Mar 2009 00:00 in reply to "Clueless"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

All Kaiwai was pointing out is that there is only so much of the "Oh, just read this guide, and oh, just point to these repositories" advice you can take before it simply becomes counterproductive. Why the hell is this article not relevant, and why should it not be posted? Are we supposed to say nothing about desktop Linux and say nothing against demi-Gods like Ubuntu?


Lets be honest here ... Kawai complained that he couldn't find a Linux distribution that worked properly on his Acer Aspire One ... yet there were two (not one, but two) re-masters of Ubuntu 8.04 LTS, both of which would work properly out of the box on his hardware and solve every single one of the issues he raised, both of which would inherit the Long Term Support and application repositories from Ubuntu itself, and both of which were identified in the first two sentences of the artcile that was the very top Google hit for the search terms he himself suggested.

Yet he downloaded and tried three seemingly-randomly-selected distributions that made no claims at all to support his hardware.

Then he complained that he couldn't get help from the Acer website, when it was the Acer-supplied Linux software that he found limited and constrained and was trying to replace in the first place.

Make of all that what you will.

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RE[2]: Clueless
by kaiwai on Tue 3rd Mar 2009 12:58 in reply to "RE: Clueless"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Lets be honest here ...


Lets also be honest here, you ignored 105 posts and submited that load of shit to this forum. Why should your post even be taken seriously when you can't even be bothered to read other responses and my response to those responses - because then maybe you'd realise that the issue has already been addressed. Stop flogging a dead horse - screaming the same shit over and over again isn't going to make the horse come back to life.

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RE[2]: Clueless
by segedunum on Tue 3rd Mar 2009 15:33 in reply to "RE: Clueless"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

...yet there were two (not one, but two) re-masters of Ubuntu 8.04 LTS

Why would there need to be a re-master? There should be a pretty straightforward way of upgrading one to the other. There seemingly isn't.

...both of which would work properly out of the box on his hardware and solve every single one of the issues he raised...

Given the comments around this article, there is some reason to doubt that. However, Thom himself did manage to get Ubuntu to work on his and he moved to Windows later for other reasons. We'll get to what those are below.

Then he complained that he couldn't get help from the Acer website, when it was the Acer-supplied Linux software that he found limited and constrained and was trying to replace in the first place.

Make of all that what you will.

I'll tell you what I make of it. Linux distributions are still piss-poor at adding support for hardware to a distribution after release, other than making yet another new bloody ISO, and piss-poor at providing a sane way of developing, adding and installing third-party software. If that was actually possible in a sane way then you might have got a nice front-end written and helped by Acer such as HP's one for the Mininote and a wealth of help and support from Acer. You don't. Guess why?

I don't doubt that there are draconian Microsoft/OEM agreements out there, but with the internet as a distribution medium today Linux distros should be making this exceptionally easy to do to slip through the 'net'. They're not.

Mind you, if such software was written then we would get moans from the crowd if it isn't open source, and those moans would probably be coming from the very same people who argue about licensing to allow free proprietary development.

It's a nuthouse at times.

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RE: Clueless
by kaiwai on Tue 3rd Mar 2009 00:09 in reply to "Clueless"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

While I am a pretty strong advocate of open source software in many uses and the share and share alike philosophy of the GPL (it works basically), it's always astonishing to me how clueless people are as to how far off we really are at getting a fully integrated open source destop system to compete with Windows.

All Kaiwai was pointing out is that there is only so much of the "Oh, just read this guide, and oh, just point to these repositories" advice you can take before it simply becomes counterproductive. Why the hell is this article not relevant, and why should it not be posted? Are we supposed to say nothing about desktop Linux and say nothing against demi-Gods like Ubuntu?

I think we all need to get a firm grip and admit where we are a long way short in the open source, free desktop world.


The stupid part of the debate is when people label me an idiot - ignoring the fact that I have run Linux for 9 years. I know it back to front, up and down, left to right BUT I clearly stated in the article that I no longer give a toss about tinkering, I just want the thing to work out of the box with minimum fuss and bother.

Then again, how many people here actually read the comments, read the article and take time to absorb what people say? there is an idiot on my blog called Howard who couldn't even be bothered reading the previous posts because if he had he wouldn't have made such a clusterf*ck of a comment claiming I was using a tweaked OEM installation when I clearly stated I was comparing Linux to an OEM installation of Windows XP I did from a CD.

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RE[2]: Clueless
by m4xr8d on Tue 3rd Mar 2009 03:25 in reply to "RE: Clueless"
m4xr8d Member since:
2009-03-01

Maybe you should re-read your very own blog. You never,I'll repeat NEVER stated I was comparing Linux to an OEM installation of Windows XP I did from a CD.

Idiots can be idiots for as long as they live. Regardless of how ever long they/you might have tried to use Linux.

You are an idiot.

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