Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 1st Mar 2009 17:26 UTC, submitted by kaiwai
Hardware, Embedded Systems Long-time OSNews reader Kaiwai has written down his experiences with his Acer Aspire One, Linux, and Windows. He concludes: "After a hectic few weeks trying to get Linux to work, I am back to square one again - a netbook running Windows XP SP3 as it was provided by Acer when I purchased it. I gave three different distributions a chance to prove themselves. I expected all three distributions to wipe the floor with Windows XP - after all, these are the latest and greatest distributions the Linux world have to offer. There has been at least 7 years since the release of Windows XP for Linux to catch up to Windows XP and from my experience with Linux on this said device - it has failed to step up to the plate when it was needed."
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RE: Clueless
by lemur2 on Tue 3rd Mar 2009 00:00 UTC in reply to "Clueless"
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All Kaiwai was pointing out is that there is only so much of the "Oh, just read this guide, and oh, just point to these repositories" advice you can take before it simply becomes counterproductive. Why the hell is this article not relevant, and why should it not be posted? Are we supposed to say nothing about desktop Linux and say nothing against demi-Gods like Ubuntu?


Lets be honest here ... Kawai complained that he couldn't find a Linux distribution that worked properly on his Acer Aspire One ... yet there were two (not one, but two) re-masters of Ubuntu 8.04 LTS, both of which would work properly out of the box on his hardware and solve every single one of the issues he raised, both of which would inherit the Long Term Support and application repositories from Ubuntu itself, and both of which were identified in the first two sentences of the artcile that was the very top Google hit for the search terms he himself suggested.

Yet he downloaded and tried three seemingly-randomly-selected distributions that made no claims at all to support his hardware.

Then he complained that he couldn't get help from the Acer website, when it was the Acer-supplied Linux software that he found limited and constrained and was trying to replace in the first place.

Make of all that what you will.

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RE[2]: Clueless
by kaiwai on Tue 3rd Mar 2009 12:58 in reply to "RE: Clueless"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Lets be honest here ...


Lets also be honest here, you ignored 105 posts and submited that load of shit to this forum. Why should your post even be taken seriously when you can't even be bothered to read other responses and my response to those responses - because then maybe you'd realise that the issue has already been addressed. Stop flogging a dead horse - screaming the same shit over and over again isn't going to make the horse come back to life.

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RE[2]: Clueless
by segedunum on Tue 3rd Mar 2009 15:33 in reply to "RE: Clueless"
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2005-07-06

...yet there were two (not one, but two) re-masters of Ubuntu 8.04 LTS

Why would there need to be a re-master? There should be a pretty straightforward way of upgrading one to the other. There seemingly isn't.

...both of which would work properly out of the box on his hardware and solve every single one of the issues he raised...

Given the comments around this article, there is some reason to doubt that. However, Thom himself did manage to get Ubuntu to work on his and he moved to Windows later for other reasons. We'll get to what those are below.

Then he complained that he couldn't get help from the Acer website, when it was the Acer-supplied Linux software that he found limited and constrained and was trying to replace in the first place.

Make of all that what you will.

I'll tell you what I make of it. Linux distributions are still piss-poor at adding support for hardware to a distribution after release, other than making yet another new bloody ISO, and piss-poor at providing a sane way of developing, adding and installing third-party software. If that was actually possible in a sane way then you might have got a nice front-end written and helped by Acer such as HP's one for the Mininote and a wealth of help and support from Acer. You don't. Guess why?

I don't doubt that there are draconian Microsoft/OEM agreements out there, but with the internet as a distribution medium today Linux distros should be making this exceptionally easy to do to slip through the 'net'. They're not.

Mind you, if such software was written then we would get moans from the crowd if it isn't open source, and those moans would probably be coming from the very same people who argue about licensing to allow free proprietary development.

It's a nuthouse at times.

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RE[3]: Clueless
by broken_symlink on Tue 3rd Mar 2009 16:04 in reply to "RE[2]: Clueless"
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2005-07-06


I'll tell you what I make of it. Linux distributions are still piss-poor at adding support for hardware to a distribution after release, other than making yet another new bloody ISO, and piss-poor at providing a sane way of developing, adding and installing third-party software. If that was actually possible in a sane way then you might have got a nice front-end written and helped by Acer such as HP's one for the Mininote and a wealth of help and support from Acer. You don't. Guess why?


Well, in a perfect linux world, they wouldn't have to worry about adding support, because everything would be in mainline and if something isn't supported in one release you just upgrade the kernel package and there it is you hardware is supported!

The problem is that linux is a second class citizen to most hardware companies. All resources are poured into making windows drivers and linux drivers are put on the back burner. Just look at companies like nvidia. However, even then its not good enough, because unless they get those drivers into the mainline linux kernel things will never become as easy as windows.

Things are improving, but it will take time. According to a lot of people here, his hardware will be supported out of the box in the next ubuntu release.

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