Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 4th Mar 2009 17:31 UTC, submitted by poundsmack
Internet Explorer Details are scarce at the moment, but testers familiar with the recently leaked Windows 7 build 7048 confirm that Internet Explorer 8 is now an optional component in Windows 7. This is most likely a direct consequence of the EU investigation into the bundling of IE. Still, a few questions remain.
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things should go back to the old way
by poundsmack on Wed 4th Mar 2009 21:38 UTC
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I am glad that MS is giving the ability to remove IE (only because i have some machines that never go online intentionaly). BUT! there are a lot of custome programs that utalize IE specificly, a lot of legacy ones too. this is going ot cause problems because they relied on the Trident engine that powers IE.

also here is a long rant of mine:

uggg, this should be a decision left up the the OEM's such as Dell/Hp/etc... This should not be imposed on MS to include or suport someone elses 3rd party browser, thats insane! Remember about 5 years ago when you bought a windows pc and it came with Netscape/Aol/real player? That was the companies making deals with the OEM's to include their software, they pay the OEM's to have it in there. Now any time a company doesn't want to pay they just complain to the EU, why god why?! The fact of the matter is companies started offering the "do not install all this extra garbage on my PC" option and a lot of customers took it and made sure non or very little of that extra stuff is installed. The users that want it installed are not your average user, and since they have knowledge of the product they are usually capable of going and downloading it. Example: if I want Opera (and i do) I go download it once i install windows, i wouldn't WANT windows to come with it, I would rather do it myself.

So heres the scoop: these are businesses, if you want to compete in the browser arena then DO BUSINESS! Go make a deal with whatever OEM you want, sign a contract, agree to pay, and boom your in. Don't whine that things are unfair because you didn't make a real effort to compete. "Oh but i have a browser thats free to download but not everyone is using it (cry), what do I do?" If you plan on making money off this thing in any way shape or form, learn how to make deals, STOP EXPECTING HAND OUTS!

/end rant
(expect typo's)

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Aretak Member since:

If you read the story, it says that only iexplore.exe is deleted, not the rest of the files which power it. As such, any programs that rely on Trident will continue to function as normal.

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poundsmack Member since:

I see your point, but I will say this. I have removed IE from my windows installs. In the embeded version of XP you don't even have to install it (and i use that as one of my desktops). a lot of legacy apps that are hard coded to use IE and Trident (i should have thrown IE in there instead of just trident) don't work, or throw up all sorts of wierd errors.

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WorknMan Member since:

If you read the story, it says that only iexplore.exe is deleted, not the rest of the files which power it. As such, any programs that rely on Trident will continue to function as normal.

Well, this is probably a good thing for developers who rely on Trident under the hood. If they do remove it, I hope there's an API underneath that's compatable with it, or I'm gonna have to rewrite several of my AutoIt scripts that use the MSHTML library ;) Is there even anything in the Firefox/Chrome world that's like MSHTML, where you can navigate web pages through code and interact with elements on the page as objects, and have those objects available through COM?

Edited 2009-03-05 01:43 UTC

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google_ninja Member since:

Its sort of funny. The first time I read Atlas Shrugged I was about 16, and it really pissed me off. I felt she had a point, but was building up straw men to proove it, and those sorts of extremes just didn't exist.

Fast forward a decade or so, and the attitudes and opinions coming out of the EU commission and the FSF are almost exactly the things Ayn Rand was talking about back then. It made me do a double take, because I still consider myself a moderate liberal, but here I am agreeing with some of the things Ayn Rand was talking about!

Especially in this case, I can't help but like results of the governament intervention. It leaves a sour taste in my mouth though, because it is the result of companies not wanting to compete based on merit, but out of some sort of belief that they are entitled to a piece of the pie they didn't earn.

There is a great video on youtube of steve jobs from the 70s or 80s saying "I don't begrudge that Microsoft is where it is, because they earned it. What I don't like is that a company is in their position that has such poor taste in everything it does" (to paraphrase)

The sad truth is that the nicest, prettiest, smartest product doesn't always win. We can say "man, that sucks", but that does not mean that they are entitled to something they didn't achieve.

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