Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 4th Mar 2009 17:31 UTC, submitted by poundsmack
Internet Explorer Details are scarce at the moment, but testers familiar with the recently leaked Windows 7 build 7048 confirm that Internet Explorer 8 is now an optional component in Windows 7. This is most likely a direct consequence of the EU investigation into the bundling of IE. Still, a few questions remain.
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RE: Windows 98
by DrillSgt on Wed 4th Mar 2009 22:32 UTC in reply to "Windows 98"
DrillSgt
Member since:
2005-12-02

In Windows 98's installation routine it was so easy to do a custom installation and select additional components or deselect some default apps. If MS just kept it that way, the antitrust case for Windows Media Player would never have happened.
Instead MS chose to treat its users bad by making it unnecessary complicated to remove unwanted components and on top of that even getting itself in a position that's like begging to get sued.


MS chose to treat it's users bad, by installing what people asked for? Back then, people were screaming that there was no media player installed by default. MS was being bitched at for not having one. So to answer that, they began installing Windows media Player..because it is what the customers were screaming for. No one wanted it removed, so they installed it without the removal option. Now the technical crowd screams for it to be removable, yet customers want it. That is easily proven by the flop that is Windows N.

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RE[2]: Windows 98
by bornagainenguin on Wed 4th Mar 2009 23:02 in reply to "RE: Windows 98"
bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

DrillSgt astroturfed...

MS chose to treat it's users bad, by installing what people asked for? Back then, people were screaming that there was no media player installed by default. MS was being bitched at for not having one. So to answer that, they began installing Windows media Player..because it is what the customers were screaming for.


Really? I don't recall this at all. I do recall wishing Microsoft would work with some of the other players to allow codecs interoperatability...

I think at that time I was either using the Sasmiki2000, as it allowed me to play pretty much everything in one player. These days I get by much happier with Media Player Classic in Windows abnd use Gnome-mplayer in Linux.

DrillSgt astrotuurfed...
No one wanted it removed, so they installed it without the removal option. Now the technical crowd screams for it to be removable, yet customers want it. That is easily proven by the flop that is Windows N.


Heh...funny. Mind telling me where that was for sale to home users? Well they must have offered it to their technical crowd enthusiasts, right? No...? Funny how it was a flop when it was unavailable for purchase...

--bornagainpenguin

Edited 2009-03-04 23:03 UTC

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RE[3]: Windows 98
by DrillSgt on Wed 4th Mar 2009 23:15 in reply to "RE[2]: Windows 98"
DrillSgt Member since:
2005-12-02

"Really? I don't recall this at all. I do recall wishing Microsoft would work with some of the other players to allow codecs interoperatability...

I think at that time I was either using the Sasmiki2000, as it allowed me to play pretty much everything in one player. These days I get by much happier with Media Player Classic in Windows abnd use Gnome-mplayer in Linux."


I remember it well. The only other player that I could find anywhere, at that time, was RealPlayer, which was way too expensive. I never heard of Simsiki2000, maybe that is a UK player?

"Heh...funny. Mind telling me where that was for sale to home users? Well they must have offered it to their technical crowd enthusiasts, right? No...? Funny how it was a flop when it was unavailable for purchase..."

Well, I can't speak from experience, as I am in the US. According to a friend of mine in London, they saw it at some electronics store, in a retail box. I cannot judge the accuracy of his statement, as I have not been to the UK in about 25 years.

Edit: Had wrong time frame for when I was there last ;)

Edited 2009-03-04 23:19 UTC

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RE[3]: Windows 98
by WereCatf on Wed 4th Mar 2009 23:15 in reply to "RE[2]: Windows 98"
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2006-02-15

Really? I don't recall this at all. I do recall wishing Microsoft would work with some of the other players to allow codecs interoperatability...

Well, you can't really call yourself an Average Joe, can you? Atleast my mom would have absolutely no idea where to start if her computer came without something to play video and music with, or without a web browser. From such a point of view including such applications makes perfect sense. All Linux distros do that, too, so it's hypocritical to complain about it.

As for interoperability..Sure, Microsoft should rather pursue that instead of trying to hinder it. But the point is, who does it benefit for Microsoft having to offer versions of their software without media player or browser? EU? Big corporations? Geeks who know how to fix any issues they might have? Or Average Joe?

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RE[3]: Windows 98
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 4th Mar 2009 23:17 in reply to "RE[2]: Windows 98"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Dude, your accusations of "astroturfing" really negate your arguments. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean he's astroturfing.

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