Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 3rd Mar 2009 15:16 UTC, submitted by Moulinneuf
Apple Just as everyone suspected, Apple updated its various lines of desktop computers today, bringing speed and performance improvements across the board. Mac Pro, iMac, and the Mac Mini were all upgraded, and especially for the Mini, it was a long time coming. The Mac Pro sees the most changes.
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RE[7]: Tee hee
by akrosdbay on Thu 5th Mar 2009 00:30 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Tee hee"
akrosdbay
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2008-06-09

The point was exactly that, why most ht enthusiasts go for the Mini over the ATV. Look at the posting I replied to. The point was that Apple would sell more ATVs if they wouldn't artificially cripple it. I don't see how making the ATV a proper media center would kill the Mini, which has a lot of other uses besides an htpc. So, I'm afraid I don't see your point or your objection to mine.


Then you don't see the point of settop boxes. ATV is a set top box.

My Roku netflix player plays netflix and amazon on demand (pretty recent). My Tivo does PVR, Netflix, YouTube, Amazon on demand..etc.My PS3 can play flash, Playstation store content, MP4, DIVX and wma content. None of them offer FLAC or ogg/vorbis support.

ATV is a set top box for Apple's iTunes service.. end of story.

Does you argument apply to Roku, Sony PS3 and Tivo also? or Apple a special sore point for you?

I have the 3 I mentioned above. I don't own an AppleTV.

Your objection is invalid. The mini is lucrative because you can use all those codecs and much more. It also has more processing juice for 1080p content than the ATV.

Edited 2009-03-05 00:34 UTC

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RE[8]: Tee hee
by darknexus on Thu 5th Mar 2009 01:23 in reply to "RE[7]: Tee hee"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Hmm, is my objection to the crippled ATV a sore point for you? I have nothing against Apple, I own several Apple products and absolutely the Macintosh platform. My point is, this is why htpc enthusiasts buy the Mini, and why ATV isn't doing as well as it could. Not even sure why you brought the PS3 into this, it's primarily a game console. Given the choice, what would you rather have, four or five set top boxes or one that does most things?
I would certainly put the same objections on Roku and other set tops as well, they should aim to do as much as possible. Further, I said ogg and FLAC were two examples of formats not supported. They were by no means the only ones, and even the most ardent Apple fans can't say Quicktime has an excellent number of codecs supported in its default installation. So yes, perhaps I do not see the point in limited set tops when you could buy a Mac mini to do all those things and pay a fraction of what all the set tops to do the same tasks would cost you. Apple could push the limits of set tops if they wished, but they seem content not to do so unfortunately.

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RE[9]: Tee hee
by akrosdbay on Thu 5th Mar 2009 09:23 in reply to "RE[8]: Tee hee"
akrosdbay Member since:
2008-06-09

Hmm, is my objection to the crippled ATV a sore point for you? I have nothing against Apple, I own several Apple products and absolutely the Macintosh platform. My point is, this is why htpc enthusiasts buy the Mini, and why ATV isn't doing as well as it could.


Not a sore point. I just don't get why you think it is crippled because it doesn't meet your needs.

Not even sure why you brought the PS3 into this, it's primarily a game console.


The PS3 is more than a game console. It is plays Blu-Ray ( most easily updated player on the market), You can buy TV shows and Movies from the Playstation Store. Sony even added a photo app recently that can pull pictures from a digital camera directly to make fancy slideshows. The XMB interface has games, music, videos, internet browsing as primary icons. So it is comparable to other digital media hub/set top boxes.

So yes, perhaps I do not see the point in limited set tops when you could buy a Mac mini to do all those things and pay a fraction of what all the set tops to do the same tasks would cost you. Apple could push the limits of set tops if they wished, but they seem content not to do so unfortunately.


The problem is there is no single device other than a mini form factor computer that can support all the formats that spring up everyday. Set top box manufacturers neither have the budget nor resources to develop, support and test every single codec and format. Especially when it doesn't directly make money for them.

Apple makes money selling movies and music from iTunes. The AppleTV just augments that income from people that want to watch that content on a TV. It is very simple really.

The geeks want more they get a mini and do what they please. Which is exactly what we are discussing. If the AppleTV would do everything a mini does it would be a mini and cost as much.

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