Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 22nd Sep 2005 15:51 UTC, submitted by William Lahti
Linux The first snapshot release of Komodo, a next-generation Linux/.NET-based operating system, is now available. "A new desktop environment codenamed Dagon is now being developed with [D-Bus, Composite, Linux 2.6] to bring a new face of Linux to users. The environment is being developed around the Emotion graphics/UI toolkit to best make use of these new display and communication technologies as well as to provide a solid and useable interface for casual users." Get the latest snapshots from their FTP servers. Read more information for developers, users and enterprise users.
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This isn't another XFCE
by on Thu 22nd Sep 2005 20:39 UTC

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These guys have a new toolkit they're using. And since there is no standard desktop, all the power to them. Gnome and KDE both have problems of their own.

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RE: This isn't another XFCE
by bogomipz on Fri 23rd Sep 2005 07:59 in reply to "This isn't another XFCE"
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2005-07-11

Well said.

I don't think another XFCE would be such a bad thing though, especially if we were talking Qt (like Mockup before the project was canceled).

What I don't quite understand, however, is why some new DEs tend to also be new Linux distibutions (like this one, and again like Mockup). I'm not saying that projects that try to think new shouldn't be allowed to go the DE/distro combo route, I just feel they would stand a better chance focusing on the DE and have it run on existing Linux/BSD systems. There could be situations where what the project tries to achieve requires major changes in the base system, but I think this is rather extreme, and I couldn't see why Mockup had to even if I tried.

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RE[2]: This isn't another XFCE
by butters on Fri 23rd Sep 2005 09:12 in reply to "RE: This isn't another XFCE"
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2005-07-08

I'm very impressed by the potential of this project, although it's questionable how legacy (read: normal open source) applications will integrate with this environment. If you read the tutorials on Emotion, it's a really nifty system. There's rich multimedia support, compositing, vector graphics, and canvasing like Enlightenment, but the incredibly OO structure adds a lot more. I was particularly intruiged by the demonstration of how a Komodo application can easily incorporate hierarchical preferences using XML. It's got a "SharedCache" package management system that seems very much like OSX's system or that new Klik thingy. The packaging system is clearly the part that still needs the most work before the beta releases.

I still think that the FOSS commitment to application development in C is a testiment to the perseverence and insanity of the community. Of course, everything different is crap. Mono is crap, alternative DEs are crap, small distributions are crap. Free software is about choice as long as we limit our options to the traditional ones... I stand by the responsible and applicable use of Mono. This was a good call. Mono flamers, just shut the hell up.

Also, will you guys shut up about the friggin screenshots and how closely or vaguely they resemble something else? This is a pre-beta code snapshot, and they posted some images that are obviously test cases for their UI code. They just wanted to put the widgets up on the screen and have them render correctly. It doesn't have any polish, and looks nothing like any remotely production desktop. At all. End of story.

Finally, this new DE is also a new Linux distribution because, if you read the documentation, it is a new Linux distribution. Not a new DE. It happens to have a new DE. It also happens to have a whole new graphics, media, plugin, preferences, widget, event, packaging, and programming framework. The only things it has in common with a other Linux distributions is the stuff that common to pretty much all Linux distributions: the kernel, the system utilities, and the usual applications. All the stuff that differs from distribution to distribution is completely different. In fact, radically different.

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