Linked by Nescio on Mon 9th Mar 2009 08:05 UTC
Numerous irrelevant issues and feelings about them are ventilated in comments on the case. However, there are only two important issues. One is what the law is, the other is what we think the law should be.
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RE[5]: Comment by lurch_mojoff
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 9th Mar 2009 21:04
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FYI, there is nothing wrong with tying your product to the products of another company. The console gaming industry proves this point quite nicely.
Oh, you mean like how Sony lost the legal battle against that PlayStation emulator Bleem?
Ultimately bleem! won in court and a protective order was issued to "protect David from Goliath".[1] Sony lost on all counts, including bleem!'s use of screenshots of PlayStation games on its packaging. The court noted that bleem!'s use of copyrighted screenshots was considered fair use and should be allowed to continue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleem!#Sony_lawsuit
RE[6]: Comment by lurch_mojoff
by rhavyn on Mon 9th Mar 2009 22:27
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Member since:2005-07-06
"FYI, there is nothing wrong with tying your product to the products of another company. The console gaming industry proves this point quite nicely.
Oh, you mean like how Sony lost the legal battle against that PlayStation emulator Bleem? "
I'm sorry, how does that prove that there is something wrong with tying your products? As a matter of fact, it seems your example proves what I'm saying. Sony went out of their way to prevent anyone from being able to play Playstation games on non Sony hardware. Was Sony in some way sanctioned for that behavior? No? Maybe because tying products isn't inherantly illegal?
"Ultimately bleem! won in court and a protective order was issued to "protect David from Goliath".[1] Sony lost on all counts, including bleem!'s use of screenshots of PlayStation games on its packaging. The court noted that bleem!'s use of copyrighted screenshots was considered fair use and should be allowed to continue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleem!#Sony_lawsuit "
Again, I'm not sure how any of that is relevant besides proving my point. Are you trying to say that this is applicable in the Pystar case? How? Which claim of Psystar's would be able to use this lawsuit as precedent?
RE[5]: Comment by lurch_mojoff
by gcbirzan on Mon 9th Mar 2009 21:16
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FYI, there is nothing wrong with tying your product to the products of another company. The console gaming industry proves this point quite nicely.
Except it's illegal. From wikipedia:
Certain tying arrangements are illegal in the United States under both the Sherman Antitrust Act,[1], and Section 3 of the Clayton Act.[2] A tying arrangement is defined as "an agreement by a party to sell one product but only on the condition that the buyer also purchases a different (or tied) product, or at least agrees he will not purchase the product from any other supplier."
Basically, the idea isn't that it doesn't work on other operating systems, just that they cannot stop me if I want to use it on another operating system (and find a way to do so).
The simple fact is, companies do have the right to restrict how you use their products. It has been litigated repeatedly. Go take a look and see how far the bnetd guys got.
That was a different issue, they were going on about piracy, the ability to play on a local server without having bought a license.
RE[6]: Comment by lurch_mojoff
by rhavyn on Mon 9th Mar 2009 22:22
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"FYI, there is nothing wrong with tying your product to the products of another company. The console gaming industry proves this point quite nicely.
Except it's illegal. From wikipedia:
Certain tying arrangements are illegal in the United States under both the Sherman Antitrust Act,[1], and Section 3 of the Clayton Act.[2] A tying arrangement is defined as "an agreement by a party to sell one product but only on the condition that the buyer also purchases a different (or tied) product, or at least agrees he will not purchase the product from any other supplier."
Basically, the idea isn't that it doesn't work on other operating systems, just that they cannot stop me if I want to use it on another operating system (and find a way to do so). "
You need to read your own quote. Certain tying arrangements are illegal, however it was also ruled that it is impossible for a company to have a monopoly on their own products. So the Sherman Act simply doesn't apply.
Additionally, if you read that strictly (which you apparently want to do), then you have just outlawed accessories since accessories always require the "tied" product in order to function.
"The simple fact is, companies do have the right to restrict how you use their products. It has been litigated repeatedly. Go take a look and see how far the bnetd guys got.
That was a different issue, they were going on about piracy, the ability to play on a local server without having bought a license. " [/q]
Please don't move the goal posts. You want to claim that tying is illegal and that companies can't artificially restrict how their products can be used. Both of those claims are, on their face, invalid. There are certain situations where they could be true, but you're going to need to prove that the circumstances in Apple's case meets any of them. And so far you haven't.
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So if I buy a mouse whose label says I need Microsoft Windows XP or newer for it to work, am I not allowed to use it on anything else? Mindboggling, as this is effectively tying, since a company is forcing me to use the products of another company to use theirs. "
FYI, there is nothing wrong with tying your product to the products of another company. The console gaming industry proves this point quite nicely.
The simple fact is, companies do have the right to restrict how you use their products. It has been litigated repeatedly. Go take a look and see how far the bnetd guys got.