Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 11th Mar 2009 17:23 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems To further prove that analysts' projections are just informed guesses, two major analyst firms just presented a completely different outlook on the netbook market and where it is going. Even though both project major growth, one of them sees a very bright future for non-Intel netbooks, while the other sticks with Atom.
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Wine
by erikharmon on Wed 11th Mar 2009 18:28 UTC
erikharmon
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2007-06-20

At least with an Atom CPU, if I can't find the Linux app I want I can use the Windows equivalent in WINE. ARM netbooks are cool, I will be buying one no matter what, but non-x86 is a software ghetto. It took years to get Adobe Flash on Linux-x86, a few more to get it in 64-bit, and the PowerPC version never came at all. Maybe these things will see a lot of support on ARM, but I don't want to have to rely on that.

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RE: Wine
by Redeeman on Wed 11th Mar 2009 18:48 in reply to "Wine"
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2006-03-23

LOL, so because adobe doesnt release their crappy insanely ugly plugin for some architecture, its a software ghetto?

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RE[2]: Wine
by Ian Christie on Wed 11th Mar 2009 20:28 in reply to "RE: Wine"
Ian Christie Member since:
2005-07-06

I hate to say it, but, the name "NetBook" implies the ability to do everything someone wants to on the "Internet" and that includes the annoying Flash plug-in.

However, I would love to see one of the ARM netbooks take off.

Edited 2009-03-11 20:29 UTC

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RE: Wine
by sbergman27 on Wed 11th Mar 2009 21:27 in reply to "Wine"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

Gnash and swfdec work well these days. Especially now that Adobe has opened up some. Flash 7 support from Adobe already exists for ARM. And Adobe is working on Flash 10 support for release later this year for those who want the proprietary plugin. They seem to be taking this seriously.

http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200811/1117...

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RE: Wine
by sunny007 on Wed 11th Mar 2009 22:12 in reply to "Wine"
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2006-10-25

As you pointed out, flash is available for multiple platforms already, I suspect that the hardest problem is porting it to a second platform. I think the 3rd, 4th etc are a lot easier. So hopefully the hard work has already been done in this area.

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RE: Wine
by Morty on Wed 11th Mar 2009 22:14 in reply to "Wine"
Morty Member since:
2005-07-06

It took years to get Adobe Flash on Linux-x86, a few more to get it in 64-bit, and the PowerPC version never came at all. Maybe these things will see a lot of support on ARM, but I don't want to have to rely on that.


Rather irrelevant, since you already have Adobe Flash on ARM running Linux. Check out the Nokia N810.

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RE[2]: Wine
by erikharmon on Fri 13th Mar 2009 03:33 in reply to "RE: Wine"
erikharmon Member since:
2007-06-20

Yeah, those are OEM installations. I have seen a dozen ARM-based phones that have an OEM Flash install. There's no general-purpose ARM/Linux version, and it's not clear if there's going to be.

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RE: Wine
by unclefester on Thu 12th Mar 2009 09:15 in reply to "Wine"
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2007-01-13

The OSS flash alternatives such as gnash work well in most situations.

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RE: Wine
by bert64 on Thu 12th Mar 2009 13:29 in reply to "Wine"
bert64 Member since:
2007-04-23

Non x86 linux is a closed source software ghetto, but virtually everything that's open source has already been recompiled...
Closed source software is the limiting factor, not the hardware. I used to run Linux on an Alphastation and the only thing i didn't have was flash, everything else worked very well...

Flash is already available for linux/arm btw, it runs on the nokia n800/n810 tablets, and the open source implementation of flash is coming along nicely.

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RE: Wine
by Lennie on Fri 13th Mar 2009 00:04 in reply to "Wine"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

The N800 and N810 of Nokia ar ARM-based devices with Flash.

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