Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 12th Mar 2009 18:37 UTC
Linux After two years, the relatively popular PCLinuxOS distribution has finally put out a new major release, imaginatively called PCLinuxOS 2009.1. PCLinuxOS is a release originally based on Mandrake (now Mandriva), but which has taken on a life of its own. The distribution has one selling point (for some, at least) few other popular distributions have: it eschews KDE4 (for now).
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excellent
by raver31 on Thu 12th Mar 2009 19:06 UTC
raver31
Member since:
2005-07-06

I am glad it is not just me that cannot stand KDE4.
I have tried to like it, the version on Opensuse 11 is the best I have seen, but it still does not "feel" like a good desktop environment.

I tried the Ubuntu version, nope, back to Gnome, and on this laptop, I am using WinXP, as it is a dual boot with PC-BSD 7.1... with KDE4.1 that I cannot stand.

Sorry devs, but hte new KDE is just horrible.

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RE: excellent
by DeadFishMan on Thu 12th Mar 2009 19:43 in reply to "excellent"
DeadFishMan Member since:
2006-01-09

I am glad it is not just me that cannot stand KDE4.
I have tried to like it, the version on Opensuse 11 is the best I have seen, but it still does not "feel" like a good desktop environment.

I tried the Ubuntu version, nope, back to Gnome, and on this laptop, I am using WinXP, as it is a dual boot with PC-BSD 7.1... with KDE4.1 that I cannot stand.

Sorry devs, but hte new KDE is just horrible.


I believe that OpenSUSE decided to keep KDE 4.1 for stability (whatever that means with 4.1) and to backport some stuff from 4.2 to it. You might want to try KDE 4.2 as it is a whole lot better than 4.1. I'm currently tracking it in Sid on my laptop and I am VERY satisfied with it. It is stable, some major problems with desktop plasmoids were fixed and it looks great (I'm using the Elegance Plasma theme with the default Oxygen icons), even for people without compositing-capable hardware.

Sure, it still looks and feels unfinished here and there but the rate that improvements are being delivered is unbelievable. My only complaint is with Amarok 2: Amarok 1.4's UI was nearly perfect and they should have just tried to tune it a bit. The current 2.X alphas and betas look really bad but I am pretty sure that they are trying hard to make it look good as it changes every other week.

I have three main hold outs that prevents me from adopting 4.2 completely on my main desktop:

Localization: I will have to wait until Mandriva or someone else can deliver a good localization for Brazilian Portuguese before I can move my family to it.

k3b: Seriously, this is best burning app ever and it is sad that the early ports to Qt 4.X are not up to the snuff yet.

Konversation: Great IRC client, albeit a bit simpler and less powerful than X-Chat. I heard from one of the developers that the KDE 4 port wasn't exactly a priority until sometime ago but they already have something on SVN (highly unstable though so it's not for the faint of heart). I've been using Quassel in the mean time and I'm loving it. Unfortunately it does not support DCC transfers yet due to its unusual design, but it is on its TO-DO list.

Other than that, it is fine. There are some other Qt3 and/or KDE 3 software that I'm really fond of that may or may not make the cut like Valknut and Apollon but that can be somehow worked around. For most people, the functionality delivered is more than enough.

I don't want to sound like a sales man but I truly believe that the improvements brought by KDE 4.2 should be enough to at least make you give it another chance. Who knows, you might like it! ^_^

Edited 2009-03-12 19:45 UTC

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RE: excellent
by dalingrin on Thu 12th Mar 2009 19:51 in reply to "excellent"
dalingrin Member since:
2009-03-12

I for one am really liking KDE 4 starting with KDE 4.2. KDE 4.0-4.1 obviously wasn't ready for use as your primary desktop environment.

I'd suggest trying KDE 4.2 if you haven't. Its only going to get better from here.

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RE[2]: excellent
by madcrow on Thu 12th Mar 2009 20:34 in reply to "RE: excellent"
madcrow Member since:
2006-03-13

Nope. You're not the only one. Starting with 4.1, I really started liking KDE4's desktop features, though a lot of the "peripheral" software was lacking. Starting with 4.2, most of the peripheral stuff is up to snuff too.

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RE: excellent
by satan666 on Thu 12th Mar 2009 19:52 in reply to "excellent"
satan666 Member since:
2008-04-18

I am glad it is not just me that cannot stand KDE4.
I have tried to like it, the version on Opensuse 11 is the best I have seen, but it still does not "feel" like a good desktop environment.

I tried the Ubuntu version, nope, back to Gnome, and on this laptop, I am using WinXP, as it is a dual boot with PC-BSD 7.1... with KDE4.1 that I cannot stand.

Sorry devs, but hte new KDE is just horrible.


You didn't try KDE 4.2.1. It is really good, almost as good as KDE 3.5.10
You also didn't try KDE on the best KDE oriented distro which is Mandriva IMHO.
I've got Mandriva 2009.1 RC1 + KDE 4.2.1 and I'm telling you this is truly a happy marriage.
If you still want to use PC-BSD, their latest beta features KDE 4.2.1
FreeBSD 7.1 is excellent and I expect PC-BSD 7.1 to be a great release too.

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RE: excellent
by sbergman27 on Thu 12th Mar 2009 23:25 in reply to "excellent"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

I am glad it is not just me that cannot stand KDE4.
I have tried to like it, the version on Opensuse 11 is the best I have seen, but it still does not "feel" like a good desktop environment.

You took the words right out of my mouth. KDE 4.0, 4.1, and 4.2 have all been crap with a lot of hoopla surrounding them. I'm not a huge 3.x fan, either. But I was a big KDE 1.x and 2.x fan and had hoped that KDE4 would redeem them. Guess not. :-(

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RE[2]: excellent
by roverrobot on Fri 13th Mar 2009 20:13 in reply to "RE: excellent"
roverrobot Member since:
2006-07-23

I'm not a huge 3.x fan, either. But I was a big KDE 1.x and 2.x fan and had hoped that KDE4 would redeem them. Guess not. :-(


Hmm, what exactly did you like about 1.x and 2.x that have degraded in 3.x? Guess not.

I had thought that 3.x was a port of 2.x to qt3 and polishing of 2.x, with almost no redesign. From my 10-year experience with KDE, I still remember the hideous days with 2.x and arts and noatun. What a release for me when we had Juk and then amarok in KDE 3. KDE 4.2, for me, has already surpassed the functionality provided by 3.5 series. And I am thrilled about the possibility of the KDE4 technologies that has still not consolidated into programs at this stage. For example, when can we associate the plasma activities with virtual desktops? and, when can we see our calendars, todos, emails, contacts, whatever, on our desktop without opening each handling application?

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RE: excellent
by Laurence on Fri 13th Mar 2009 10:40 in reply to "excellent"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

I find it a little weird that people are so against KDE4 as i personally find it the best desktop environment I've used to date (including OS X's Aqua and Vista's Aero, BeOS, numerous other open source DEs and all of the other windows shell's of old).

I love KDE4 - but i guess, it just boils down to preference

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RE[2]: excellent
by lemur2 on Fri 13th Mar 2009 11:44 in reply to "RE: excellent"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

I find it a little weird that people are so against KDE4 as i personally find it the best desktop environment I've used to date (including OS X's Aqua and Vista's Aero, BeOS, numerous other open source DEs and all of the other windows shell's of old).


I think you actually may have hit upon the reason without realising it.

KDE4 probably IS the best current desktop environment. Also, it doesn't include Mono. Therefore, it would be imperative (from one particular point of view) to create an impression that people were against it.

Can you say "astroturfing"?

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