Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 16th Mar 2009 23:00 UTC
Apple Just when you thought that DRM was on its way out, with various music stores abolishing the practice, some company will implement DRM in yet another way that will affect lots of customers in a very negative way. The most recent case of idiotic DRM comes courtesy of a gadget maker from Cupertino. Update: MacWorld provides nuance to the story, with comments from Apple and third-party manufacturers.
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Wow
by airwedge1 on Mon 16th Mar 2009 23:15 UTC
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2006-02-22

I definitely won't be buying one of these. Is this even legal? I would think this is monopolistic type, even worse then what Microsoft does. It's like all of sudden making all windows users only able to use a Microsoft mouse, and all old mice no longer work. This is a sham. Shame on Apple

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RE: Wow
by Meace on Mon 16th Mar 2009 23:20 in reply to "Wow"
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2005-07-06
RE[2]: Wow
by dvhh on Tue 17th Mar 2009 00:55 in reply to "RE: Wow"
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2006-03-20

but it means that due to apple dominant position onto the mp3 player market, the are now trying to be in control of the accessory market ( why didn't they made a more "pluggable" remote control, I guess a supporter would say "because it would require a more bulky controller for mechanical resistance"), but let's face it a buyer is less likely to choose a non "certified for ipod" when offered the choice, and given that apple won't even try to enter the "netbook"(tm) market.
It needs to find alternative source of revenue.
On the other hand, I wonder how much microsoft get paid per "certified for windows XX" sticker, it certainly have urged Intel to push microsoft to lax their policy (for intel to keep a good grip on the laptop market).

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RE: Wow
by atsureki on Tue 17th Mar 2009 00:36 in reply to "Wow"
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2006-03-12

Is this even legal? I would think this is monopolistic type, even worse then what Microsoft does. It's like all of sudden making all windows users only able to use a Microsoft mouse, and all old mice no longer work.


"Apple is being a monopoly like Microsoft" is one of the most inexplicably popular and foolish things that people say on the Internet. Apple has no monopoly to abuse, and the remarkable popularity they do have they didn't cheat or even abuse to get. FairPlay was feasible in the first place because they never, and I do mean never, broke compatibility with good ol' CD-Rs. There is no lock-in. You're not stuck with an iPod. It's just hardware and soundwaves. It's easy to migrate, even the "locked" stuff -- maybe not at full quality, but that's the thing with DRM, and I doubt Apple did any worse a job warning their customers about usage restrictions than Microsoft did warning theirs that all the WMDRM servers would swiftly go down and reduce their purchased music to nothing but cruft on the platter.

That said, the way the new Shuffle works, pretty and durable as the device itself is, is nothing but dumb, and consumers should know going into the purchase that it's an inflexible gimmick. You have to talk to it to control it, so you can't just go and replace the stock headphones with whatever you feel like or it won't even work.

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RE[2]: Wow
by REM2000 on Tue 17th Mar 2009 09:04 in reply to "RE: Wow"
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2006-07-25

you don't have to talk to it, it's controlled through the headphone with the pic chip. The Shuffle talks to you. The reason voice has been added to the shuffle is to give it more functionality, i.e. it allows you to use playlists, as the shuffle will tell you what the playlist is and you press a button when you find the one it is. It also allows you to use the shuffle without having to really handle the device, which is good for the intended audience which is runners etc..

As said above the chip is purely for control of the device with no DRM, leaving it open for others to copy.

I don't see what the fuss is, if you don't like the controls on the headphones buy a nano or another brand all togeather.

This is not new, i remember buying a tape based sony walkman in the mid ninties. This walkman remote functionaility would only work with sony remotes.

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RE[2]: Wow
by alcibiades on Tue 17th Mar 2009 09:17 in reply to "RE: Wow"
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2005-10-12

Apple has no monopoly to abuse

In the EU, monopolies start at 25% share of the applicable market.

Edited 2009-03-17 09:18 UTC

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RE[2]: Wow
by aliquis on Tue 17th Mar 2009 16:38 in reply to "RE: Wow"
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2005-07-23

That said, the way the new Shuffle works, pretty and durable as the device itself is, is nothing but dumb, and consumers should know going into the purchase that it's an inflexible gimmick.
Just as the old one, only worse, big deal, get a Sansa Clip/Fuze instead.

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RE: Wow
by google_ninja on Tue 17th Mar 2009 00:44 in reply to "Wow"
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2006-02-05

It is legal, the movie industry did it with blu-ray components.

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RE: Wow
by aliquis on Tue 17th Mar 2009 15:38 in reply to "Wow"
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2005-07-23

I would think this is monopolistic type, even worse then what Microsoft does.
Well duh, Apple has always been worse than Microsoft when it comes to vendor lockin. Welcome to the last 25 years.

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