Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 18th Mar 2009 11:48 UTC, submitted by PLan
In the News In a move that would certainly shake up the computer industry quite a bit, IBM is reportedly in talks with Sun Microsystems about the possibility of IBM acquiring Sun. Sun is going through hard times at the moment, and has been actively looking for someone to be acquired by.
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RE[4]: Solaris is dead.
by rajj on Wed 18th Mar 2009 21:24 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Solaris is dead. "
rajj
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2005-07-06

Except that everyone should have learned by now that turn key solutions are a really bad joke.

The Oracle PeopleSoft HR/Academic Records product was supposed to be a system wide turn key solution for the California State University system. Billions of dollars, a decade and a multitude of consultant firms later, it still doesn't work.

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RE[5]: Solaris is dead.
by kaiwai on Thu 19th Mar 2009 01:16 in reply to "RE[4]: Solaris is dead. "
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Except that everyone should have learned by now that turn key solutions are a really bad joke.

The Oracle PeopleSoft HR/Academic Records product was supposed to be a system wide turn key solution for the California State University system. Billions of dollars, a decade and a multitude of consultant firms later, it still doesn't work.


So you blame crap project management for the failure of a product to work; you do realise that HUMANS have to implement things and thus HUMANS can make monumentally stupid decisions? Also, to use a public service fiasco as an example? good lord, that would be as bad as me blaming IBM for the INCIS project in New Zealand that turned into a $200million white elephant.

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RE[6]: Solaris is dead.
by rajj on Thu 19th Mar 2009 01:27 in reply to "RE[5]: Solaris is dead. "
rajj Member since:
2005-07-06

No. I'm not blaming it on Oracle. No matter who the vendor was it would have been a debacle. The problem is the very concept of turn-key.

The reason the system doesn't work is because it's a "turn-key" product that's supposed be everything to everybody. The end result is that it's so big and so complicated that it has bugs out the wazoo, and no lone person can comprehend any more than a minute portion of it at any one time.

You're right, it was bad project management. Here are the reasons for it:

1. desire for a turn-key solution
2. attemp to unify 23 campus using said turn-key solution.

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