Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 18th Mar 2009 22:34 UTC
Gnome The GNOME team has released GNOME 2.26, the latest release in the 2.x release branch. As everyone knows, GNOME is a multi-platform open source desktop environment. The 2.26 release continues GNOME's policy of incremental updates to a stable base, and as such, it comes packed with a boatload of new features.
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Great Release!
by Jason Bourne on Wed 18th Mar 2009 22:56 UTC
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Member since:
2007-06-02

Great release! Each release GNOME gets *a bit* better. Looking forward to install next Ubuntu here. All partitions are prepared. GNOME development is accused to lay on the stagnated side, but I much prefer this than the competitors. Well, no wonder all major distros ship it as the default desktop.

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RE: Great Release!
by Laurence on Wed 18th Mar 2009 23:09 in reply to "Great Release!"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Great release! Each release GNOME gets *a bit* better. Looking forward to install next Ubuntu here. All partitions are prepared. GNOME development is accused to lay on the stagnated side, but I much prefer this than the competitors. Well, no wonder all major distros ship it as the default desktop.

Maybe I'm biased, but I always thought Slackware was one of the "major" distros. ;)

As for the GNOME vs X debate - I'm not even going to bother getting into DE flamewars when the whole point of Linux is freedom to choose.

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Slackware isn't relevant here
by JoeBuck on Wed 18th Mar 2009 23:59 in reply to "RE: Great Release!"
JoeBuck Member since:
2006-01-11

Slackware's usage has been declining over time, and its remaining usage is mainly for servers, where users aren't using any desktop at all, or even X.

I used Slackware back in the 1990s.

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RE: Great Release!
by KAMiKAZOW on Thu 19th Mar 2009 01:21 in reply to "Great Release!"
KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

openSUSE doesn't have a default. I'm not sure about Mandriva. It either uses KDE by default or has none. (I'm talking about the DVDs. The CD versions alre always either GNOME or KDE, sometimes others as well.)
It also depends how you see Kubuntu. The Kubuntu community sees itself as a separate destro that just uses Ubuntu as a base (similar to how Linux Mint sees itself). Same with Xubuntu, but I don't know if Xubunu has many users (Kubuntu has many, Xubuntu probably not).
Xandros is also a big distro -- it's just without any communiy involvement and it's targeted towards OEMs.

When you're trolling, don't do it with a claim that's so easy to debunk.

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RE[2]: Great Release!
by sbergman27 on Thu 19th Mar 2009 14:28 in reply to "RE: Great Release!"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

When you're trolling, don't do it with a claim that's so easy to debunk.

When you're trying to project confidence, don't act so defensive.

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RE: Great Release!
by lemur2 on Thu 19th Mar 2009 01:38 in reply to "Great Release!"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Well, no wonder all major distros ship it as the default desktop.


The top ranking distributions, according to Distrowatch by page hits:

1 Ubuntu 2339 - GNOME is default
2 openSUSE 1683 - KDE/GNOME equal
3 Mint 1524 - GNOME is default, but KDE4 version is in work
4 Fedora 1369 - KDE/GNOME equal
5 Debian 1258 - KDE/GNOME equal
6 Mandriva 1042 - KDE is default
7 PCLinuxOS 1009 - KDE is default
8 MEPIS 689 - KDE is default
9 Puppy 666 - JWM is default
10 CentOS 654 - KDE/GNOME equal??
11 Sabayon 628 - KDE is default
12 Arch 595 - GNOME is default

Sorry ... no soup for you.

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RE[2]: Great Release!
by tyrione on Thu 19th Mar 2009 01:54 in reply to "RE: Great Release!"
tyrione Member since:
2005-11-21

"Well, no wonder all major distros ship it as the default desktop.


The top ranking distributions, according to Distrowatch by page hits:

1 Ubuntu 2339 - GNOME is default
2 openSUSE 1683 - KDE/GNOME equal
3 Mint 1524 - GNOME is default, but KDE4 version is in work
4 Fedora 1369 - KDE/GNOME equal
5 Debian 1258 - KDE/GNOME equal
6 Mandriva 1042 - KDE is default
7 PCLinuxOS 1009 - KDE is default
8 MEPIS 689 - KDE is default
9 Puppy 666 - JWM is default
10 CentOS 654 - KDE/GNOME equal??
11 Sabayon 628 - KDE is default
12 Arch 595 - GNOME is default

Sorry ... no soup for you.
"

GDM is the default in Debian. GNOME is the default login. You have to dpkg-reconfigure kdm and set KDE as the default, after you've installed Debian.

So, yes, GNOME is default in Debian.

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RE[2]: Great Release!
by kaiwai on Thu 19th Mar 2009 02:00 in reply to "RE: Great Release!"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

"Well, no wonder all major distros ship it as the default desktop.


The top ranking distributions, according to Distrowatch by page hits:

1 Ubuntu 2339 - GNOME is default
2 openSUSE 1683 - KDE/GNOME equal
3 Mint 1524 - GNOME is default, but KDE4 version is in work
4 Fedora 1369 - KDE/GNOME equal
5 Debian 1258 - KDE/GNOME equal
6 Mandriva 1042 - KDE is default
7 PCLinuxOS 1009 - KDE is default
8 MEPIS 689 - KDE is default
9 Puppy 666 - JWM is default
10 CentOS 654 - KDE/GNOME equal??
11 Sabayon 628 - KDE is default
12 Arch 595 - GNOME is default

Sorry ... no soup for you.
"

Do you even know what default means? it means that if you do a default install of the said operating system - what have they setup as the default desktop to install. Ubuntu, OpenSuSE, Mint and Fedora all default to GNOME by default; if you went 'next, next, next, next', you'll find that GNOME is installed by default.

As for who is default; it doesn't matter because quite frankly the choice of desktops is an individual choice and the number of distro's tell me more about the distribution communities preferences than any sort of declaration being made on which is superior.

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RE[2]: Great Release!
by flynn on Thu 19th Mar 2009 13:25 in reply to "RE: Great Release!"
flynn Member since:
2009-03-19


12 Arch 595 - GNOME is default


Arch does not have a default desktop. The installer does not even install X server. X server and your desktop of choice have to be manually installed after your first boot.

Gentoo is the same way.

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RE[2]: Great Release!
by sbergman27 on Thu 19th Mar 2009 14:36 in reply to "RE: Great Release!"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

If you look at the distros that businesses actually consider: RHEL Desktop, SLED, CentOS, Ubuntu, and maybe Debian... then its Gnome, Gnome, Gnome, Gnome, and Gnome, respectively.

Don't get me wrong. I think KDE is a good desktop, and perfectly fine for hobbyists.

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RE[2]: Great Release!
by josi on Thu 19th Mar 2009 15:41 in reply to "RE: Great Release!"
josi Member since:
2009-03-11

KDE isn't default in Mandriva. KDE and Gnome is equal.

Debian on the other hand doesn't threat KDE and Gnome equally, it's more like they have Gnome as a semi default.

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RE[2]: Great Release!
by aplo on Thu 19th Mar 2009 21:47 in reply to "RE: Great Release!"
aplo Member since:
2007-10-08

This whole discussion on different distros and their default DEs is stupid but I nevertheless have to add something.

After some 7 years with SuSE/openSUSE, I recently switched to Ubuntu -- and I like it. However, one of my laptops is Ubuntu with KDE 4.2 (i.e., also Gnome installed but never used) and the other plain Kubuntu with KDE 4.2. I guess I'm an Ubuntu user in your statistics and thus give a point to Gnome. I don't mine, the default Ubuntu DE looked cool but I just happen to love KDE and didn't bother learning another one.

To me, more interesting is that the distro doesn't matter that much: KDE4 does everything and is pretty much the same everywhere. What's special with Ubuntu (compared to older openSUSE at least) is the xorg configuration -- or the lack of it. The system detects your screen automatically and everything just works! (In fact, you need to increase the virtual screen size to use a big external monitor but that's trivial compared to what it used be. And, yes, I also *have* noticed the different package system but that wasn't the reason to switch.)

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RE[2]: Great Release!
by eldarion on Mon 23rd Mar 2009 18:56 in reply to "RE: Great Release!"
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2008-12-15


12 Arch 595 - GNOME is default


What? Gnome is the default desktop on Arch? Arch is a command line distro. You can then add X.Org, KDE, Gnome or whatever after the install.

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RE: Great Release!
by michi on Thu 19th Mar 2009 06:00 in reply to "Great Release!"
michi Member since:
2006-02-04

Great release! Each release GNOME gets *a bit* better. Looking forward to install next Ubuntu here. All partitions are prepared. GNOME development is accused to lay on the stagnated side, but I much prefer this than the competitors. Well, no wonder all major distros ship it as the default desktop.


Red Flag Linux defaults to KDE. I don't know how many people in China use it, but given the size of the market there, I would consider it a major distro. As far as I know, OpenSUSE does not have a default desktop, you have to select one (either Gnome or KDE, others are also possible).

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RE: Great Release!
by Lennie on Thu 19th Mar 2009 23:59 in reply to "Great Release!"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

I wouldn't be so sure this version is so good:
http://np237.livejournal.com/22014.html

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RE[2]: Great Release!
by darknexus on Fri 20th Mar 2009 16:21 in reply to "RE: Great Release!"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

I wouldn't be so sure this version is so good:
http://np237.livejournal.com/22014.html

Did you even bother to look at the URL you just submitted? It speaks of GNOME 2.24, we're talking about GNOME 2.26.

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RE: Great Release!
by segedunum on Sun 22nd Mar 2009 20:50 in reply to "Great Release!"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Well, no wonder all major distros ship it as the default desktop.

Yes, and look how far we've got with it in terms of wider Linux desktop usage.

It's all a bit sad really as we've had this for years. When you have nothing else left to talk about that will make people use Gnome over Windows, OS X or even KDE, start talking about it as the 'default' and give the impression that we're stuck with it.

Edited 2009-03-22 20:58 UTC

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RE[2]: Great Release!
by darknexus on Sun 22nd Mar 2009 21:29 in reply to "RE: Great Release!"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

WEll, if we want Linux to succeed on the average desktop, the desktop environment itself is the least of the issues right now. Perhaps we should get the lower level stuff stable first--audio, drivers, kernel ABI (so drivers are compatible across kernel versions), a modern graphics subsystem (ditch X.org), etc. After that the GNOME vs KDE vs Enlightenment vs whatever-the-hell camps can hash it out, but until all the lower level stuff integrates and is easily configurable (try to set up your surround speakers with a few clicks, for example), it just isn't happening. These lower level things don't seem all that important if taken individually, but put together they are much more important than they appear. The average home user should never have to touch a configuration file themselves, for anything at all. If that concept stays foremost in the minds of desktop developers, it might get somewhere.
Compared to these broader issues, the whole GNOME vs KDE bs is pointless.

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