Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 24th Mar 2009 10:45 UTC
Legal We always try to avoid politics like the plague here on OSNews, but sometimes, it's hard to avoid it. Take the case of Joel Tenenbaum, who could be liable for over 1 million USD if the Recording Industry Association of America gets its way. While many hoped for a change of pace when it comes to these matters, Barack Obama's Department of Justice has squarely sided with the RIAA.
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MollyC
Member since:
2006-07-04

an offered settlement. Once you do that you're saying, "I'm going to take my chances and risk being punished to the furthest extent of the law." I don't think he should be fined a million dollars, but he made his bed.

The law is on the books. The DOJ is just getting out of the way, as I read it. The defendant provided no compelling reason for the DOJ to interfere in this matter.


Those of you saying that this proves that Obama is just another Bush are displaying your ignorance. There are issues on which the Obama DOJ has changed policy from that of Bush. For example, the Obama DOJ has ceased enforcing federal anti-marajuana laws against patients that use marajuana for medical purposes in states that allow for that. This is a change from Bush. But see, patients that use medical marajuana have a valid and moral need to do so. Pirates have no need to pirate, so why should the DOJ interfere with the law as its written (especially when the defendent passed up the chance at settlement)?

Obama didn't run on a platform in which "change" included softening the government's stance against piracy. Obama's a writer himself, and did audio versions of his books as well. He understands that creators don't want their stuff copied around without authorization. So I wouldn't expect him to instruct the DOJ to take a soft stance here. I doubt he instructed the DOJ to do anything at all. The DOJ decided this on its own, as it does for 99.999% of cases.

Edited 2009-03-24 15:43 UTC

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zaine_ridling Member since:
2007-05-13

Obama's a writer himself, and did audio versions of his books as well.

You are joking I presume. Obama has accomplished nothing in his entire life except being handed affirmative action positions. He started running for president when he had only been in the Senate for 143 days. This is the same guy who keeps his academic records and "writings" locked down. The same guy who edited the Harvard Law Review but did not author a single article for the publication! Besides, anyone who has penned TWO autobiographies of himself before the age of 46 is megalomaniacal at best, narcissistic at least. This is backed up by his very weird desire to be on TV every single day doing nothing more than reading a teleprompter, Ronnie Reagan style. Seriously, when is he not on TV?

Wake up. He has already spent all the money the Chinese are willing to give us. Now his treasury is printing what amounts to Confederate money, backed by nothing but the paper its printed on. His presidency is over as his own Democrats are now backing away from him to ensure their own political futures. He talked a good game and the media enabled him all along, but your messiah did not deliver.

Total fail in record time.

Edited 2009-03-24 16:02 UTC

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fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

As soon as we are done discussing politics, maybe we can do religion next. I am sure it would be just as productive!

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RE: Please come back to reality
by ssa2204 on Tue 24th Mar 2009 17:55 in reply to "Please come back to reality"
ssa2204 Member since:
2006-04-22


You are joking I presume. Obama has accomplished nothing in his entire life except being handed affirmative action positions.


God your right, he has done absolutely nothing. Well, except for becoming President of the United States. And what exactly have you accomplished in this world?

Just too bad for you we could not get that uber-intellectual Sarah Palin huh?

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MollyC Member since:
2006-07-04

I could've read your post at any right-wing blog over the past 18 months, and the American people soundly rejected your "arguments".

I'm surprised that your drivel has been modded up to a 6 as I write this; I had presumed that this site's membership had progressive political leanings. I'm surprised that it's a right-wing site wrt the politics of the members.

Anyway, you totally missed (or ignored) my point (not surprising for a mindless ditto-head). My point was that A. the defendant in this case provides no compelling reason for the DOJ to interfere on his behalof; B. The DOJ has changed policy from Bush in certain areas, so there has been "change"; C. the areas where the DOJ has changed policy are those where those affected could provide compelling reason to change policies, one example being whether to federal enforce anti-marijuana laws against patients using medical marijuana in states where that is permitted (whether one agrees with this change in policy is not relevant to my point).

You ignored that and went on a right-wing anti-Obama smear attack, and got 5 right-wingers to join in on your nonsense.

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red_devel Member since:
2006-03-30

Those of you saying that this proves that Obama is just another Bush are displaying your ignorance. There are issues on which the Obama DOJ has changed policy from that of Bush. For example, the Obama DOJ has ceased enforcing federal anti-marajuana laws against patients that use marajuana for medical purposes in states that allow for that. This is a change from Bush. But see, patients that use medical marajuana have a valid and moral need to do so. Pirates have no need to pirate, so why should the DOJ interfere with the law as its written (especially when the defendent passed up the chance at settlement)?


Oh Puh-lease! You must be kidding. This is why I find myself so disillusioned by politics. People just want to support whatever "side" they are on and they'll argue the most ridiculous things EVER to justify who they voted for.

Are you really going to tell me that someone who downloaded 7 songs should have to pay THREE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS? Do you have any idea how much money that is to most people in the world? This whole attitude of "he should have just paid it and saved the trouble" is the ENTIRE point that the law students representing him are trying to make. The RIAA is being granted the right to levy these ridiculous fines against people who are then forced to pay them because defending themselves against the RIAA's army of lawyers and lobbyists is an impossibility. They are essentially acting outside the system of justice and being granted ridiculous amounts of power and like Thom said, thats a scary freakin' prospect.

Now, as for this whole Marijuana kick you decided to bring in out of nowhere, it just makes me laugh even more. Medical marijuana is a joke and if you've been to LA you know you can get all the 'legal' weed you want by saying you have insomnia or arthritis or back pain or any freakin' load of bull you want. There are in my opinion NO valid moral reasons to use Marijuana, but certainly if there are any, there are not even a tenth as many people who need it in the whole country as there are currently getting prescriptions to buy it in California. Any action to move away from enforcing the laws on these jokes of 'medical' marijuana clinics who are nothing more than smart drug dealers is a move to legalize weed altogether, and it should be interpreted and judged as nothing less.

So listen buddy, go smoke your ganja and pop in your favorite Bob Marley CD you paid twenty bucks for, and keep telling yourself that Obama, or any politician, is the answer to your problems.

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RshPL Member since:
2009-03-13

So listen buddy, go smoke your ganja and pop in your favorite Bob Marley CD you paid twenty bucks for, and keep telling yourself that Obama, or any politician, is the answer to your problems.

Obama or not Obama, if I say that people should be allowed to smoke whatever the hell they want as long as it doesn't affect other people, would you advice me to go smoke my ganja as well? That is the sort of ad persona arguments I hate the most.

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MollyC Member since:
2006-07-04

the Obama DOJ has changed from the Bush DOJ, and the reasons for that, in contrast with the reasons they would not choose to interfere in a copyright case. (medical marijuana patients are more sympathetic figures than pirates, particularly pirates that pass up on a settlment then complain at the prospect of getting hit with huge penalty). Whether you agree with the change in the enforcement of federal marijuana laws against medical marijuana patients in medical marijuana states is not relevant; my point was that there has been change from Bush, even if softening the government's stance against piracy is not one of them.

And no, I don't smoke it myself, though I see nothing wrong with others doing it as long as they don't affect others; for example, they shouldn't drive while under the influence of pot, just like with alcohol.

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corberlaw Member since:
2009-03-25

The RIAA wants to destroy american jurisprudence. How? They want it so that merely filing a lawsuit entitled them to a judgment. No proof necessary. If they had their ay, leasving a CD on th doorstep weould constitue "making available." Most of the music being donloaded is worthless crap. Should the might of the whole US government be protecting us from kids who want to hear worthless crap? Or from those who would fly jets into skyscrapers? Where is there more danger? We don't have unlimited resources. Stop squandering them.

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StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

Medical marijuana is a joke and if you've been to LA you know you can get all the 'legal' weed you want by saying you have insomnia or arthritis or back pain or any freakin' load of bull you want.


"Why... it's nothing but a tin of red herrings in heavy oil!"

That argument boils down to "because there are people who use it for frivolous reasons, there must be no medicinal value." When I was in high school, one of my classmates was actually stupid enough to overdose on Gravol - does your reasoning apply there as well?

So listen buddy, go smoke your ganja and pop in your favorite Bob Marley CD you paid twenty bucks for


Personally, I've never smoked in my life - but now I'm strongly tempted to. If just to dissociate myself from the sort of idiocy displayed in the above quote.

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