Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 24th Mar 2009 18:02 UTC, submitted by google_ninja
GNU, GPL, Open Source Eric S. Raymond is one of the three big figures in open source, together with Linus Torvalds and Richard Stallman. During a talk for the Long Island Linux User Group, he made some interesting statements about the GPL, namely that the GPL is no longer needed due to the way the open source movement works.
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RE[3]: ESR is a libertomoron
by google_ninja on Tue 24th Mar 2009 20:31 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: ESR is a libertomoron"
google_ninja
Member since:
2006-02-05

Any evidence of that?


on being a witch: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/dancing.html

as for the racism bit, he had a blog post on IQ quoting studies that nobody really takes seriously unless they are a racist

That page quotes the relevent bits, and links to the month it was posted, couldn't be bothered to track down the actual link
http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/001393.html

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RE[4]: ESR is a libertomoron
by JeffS on Tue 24th Mar 2009 23:43 in reply to "RE[3]: ESR is a libertomoron"
JeffS Member since:
2005-07-12

Good links that prove your points (more or less).

Especially the IQ thing. Only a racist would jump on IQ tests as proof of inferior intelligence of a discriminated minority, conveniently dismissing the influence economic and social conditions can have on said IQ scores.

Thus, ESR, while certainly not the blatent KKK type racist (by any means), appears to be more of a pseudo-intellectual, self describing non-racist, but really a
subtle racist.

The link on the Wiccan thing was interesting. I actually share some of ESR's experience in terms of scepticism for religious dogma, or organized religion in general, and finding some Eastern mysticism somewhat sensibile. But I certainly don't share this wiccan thing.

So, okay, ESR is a Witch (self described, card carrying), and a (subtle, but actual) racist (that he won't admit to others or himself). Add to that gun nut, and hardcore libertarian, and open source advocate.

But one things for sure - he is interesting.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

No, not really. His views are not the first I want to read on any subject. Nor are the collectively that unique or thought provoking.

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google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

Yeah, he's also a fantastic writer, which is why I've read most of what he's written. I used to regularly read his blog until that post actually, which is when i jumped off board. I don't even know if he even is a racist, but he is ready to jump on any half brained bandwagon and ride the hell out of it without doing much questioning. I think that is what this whole thing is about, he's just realized the GPL is in direct opposition with his free-market libertarianism, so now he's gotta come up with a way to make it all fit. A few years ago he used to say that the GPL makes sense everywhere except for when you can make a strong business case against it, and even then it makes sense to gpl some bits, and keep the rest proprietary.

Unfortunately for him, the reactionary parts of the the linux world will probably totally despise everything he says for now on, and they are the ones that tend to form user groups that pay for people like him to come and talk.

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RE[5]: ESR is a libertomoron
by Denbish on Wed 25th Mar 2009 15:10 in reply to "RE[4]: ESR is a libertomoron"
Denbish Member since:
2009-03-25

Especially the IQ thing. Only a racist would jump on IQ tests as proof of inferior intelligence of a discriminated minority, conveniently dismissing the influence economic and social conditions can have on said IQ scores.

Thus, ESR, while certainly not the blatent KKK type racist (by any means), appears to be more of a pseudo-intellectual, self describing non-racist, but really a
subtle racist.


Sigh...Human biodiversity scientists claim that, after adjusting for economic and other disparities, There is still an IQ difference between particular ethnic groups that is too large to be statistical noise. There are still debates about the validity of General IQ as a measurement, but it's largely political since it actually corresponds really well with success across any ethnic group. There are still debates about if the statistical difference is genetic (it may be an unaccounted-for demographic characteristic.) There are not debates that intelligence is largely heritable, it is. There is general agreement that "races" are a social construct, but that ethnic groups are genetically distinct is not controversial.

People smarter and more qualified than us to debate the topic have serious disagreements about the issue. But one thing that does suck is that studying the link between IQ and genetics is going to put you dangerously close to breaching a social taboo, perhaps the worst in Anglosphere culture, being accused of being a "secret racist." Unfortunately even many scientists haven't avoided the oversocialization that causes them to question even the motives of someone interested in these topics, which just means that anyone legitimately interested in the topic is not likely going to be willing to risk their reputation over it. "Free Inquiry" indeed.

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