Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 25th Mar 2009 23:18 UTC
In the News A week ago, we reported that IBM was in acquisition talks with Sun. Sun has been in trouble for a while now, and has been shopping around the Valley for a potential buyers for the company. This report came from "people familiar with the matter", but it seems that we now have a confirmation from none other than Intel's CEO, Paul Otellini.
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RE[4]: What about Java?
by Kebabbert on Fri 27th Mar 2009 14:44 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: What about Java?"
Kebabbert
Member since:
2007-07-27

SEGEDUNUM

When you state that SUN doesnt make money out of Java, is it something you know, wish it would be so, or just sheer phantasies? It is quite often you speak about things you have no clue, you can never back your claims up with proof. Seriously, what are you doing here on OSNEWS? You are clearly not IT knowledgeable.

You state things as a supercomputer and a large server are the same thing, but they are not. They have different architecture, even wikipedia says so, but you still you insist otherwise.

You insist that ZFS requires several GB of RAM (maybe it does on FreeBSD) but it does not on Solaris - hence ZFS does not need several GB of RAM. You state that ZFS data integrity is not important (which is quite frankly, stupid to say).

You state things as there are plenty of Linux servers with 32 cpus or 64 cpus - could you show me some links on this? You didnt last time I asked. I doubt this.

You state that VirtualBox is suitable for production, instead of VMware.

Most of the things you can not back up. It would be nice if you proved your claims, instead of just stating claims that are easy to prove wrong. For instance your claim that SUN doesnt make money out of Java:


11 march 2009, SUNs CEO blogs
http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/
"For those that continue to ask if we make money with Java, the answer is yes, it's on a ramp to hit about $250m this year - one of our best businesses - and that's just Java on consumer devices, excluding servers"

$250m USD is hardly "not making money out of Java", eh? Why do you state that SUN is not making money out of Java? Are you lying or are you ignorant? Or simply dumb?


I seriously wonder, how on earth did you cope with school? In academia you are expected to analyse things and argue, backing up your proofs. You dont seem to know anything about how to debate academically. How to prove your claims. I dont get it, are you just simulating dumb, or are you really dumb? I mean it, it is a serious question.

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RE[5]: What about Java?
by segedunum on Fri 27th Mar 2009 23:12 in reply to "RE[4]: What about Java?"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

When you state that SUN doesnt make money out of Java, is it something you know, wish it would be so, or just sheer phantasies? It is quite often you speak about things you have no clue, you can never back your claims up with proof.

Sun's bottom line is my ultimate proof, but where are the licenses Sun is selling for Java? Where are the licenses, consultancy or support that Sun is raking in for development tools off the back of Java? I'll tell you where they are - nowhere. Zilch, zip, none.

All Sun did with Java was to create a reasonably successful development platform for their competitors (mostly IBM) that turned the things they really wanted to sell, Solaris and SPARC, into commodities because people could easily move Java applications off those platforms. None of this inane rambling has done anything to argue my main point regarding that.

Seriously, what are you doing here on OSNEWS? You are clearly not IT knowledgeable.

Keep deluding yourself about the reality of the situation, and we've also been through the rest of your inane bullshit many times. Trying to rehash arguments again when you have the memory of a goldfish and can't remember what has been explained and argued won't make you right.

I can see you're obviously deeply hurt by the predicament that Sun is in and obviously cannot fathom for the life of you how all this could possibly have happened, but I'm not an Agony Uncle.

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RE[6]: What about Java?
by Kebabbert on Mon 30th Mar 2009 14:33 in reply to "RE[5]: What about Java?"
Kebabbert Member since:
2007-07-27

SEGEDUNUM

I have several times requested that you back up you claims. If you can not, it is FUD and you are lying. You have never backed up any claim, despite I asked you several times. Unless you want to be taken seriously, you SHOULD be prepared to defend your claims with hard proof and links. Havent you learned that in school?

So now I ask you, you state that SUN is not making money out of Java. Back that up. I have proved otherwise.

You state that ZFS requires several GB of RAM. Back that up. On Solaris ZFS requires 512MB RAM.

You state there are several Linux servers with 32 and 64 CPUs. Back that up. Show us links.

You state that a large number crunching cluster has the same purpose as big iron, which is wrong. Even wikipedia says you are wrong (they have different archictecture and purpose: "clusters are very bad at general tasks"). Back that up. I have proved via wikipedia that you are wrong. Again.





Never ONCE have you backed anything up. I have asked you many many times, but still you write this things over and over again (never backing things up). You know, as a mathematician it is important to prove things, you are taught to never claim anything unless you can prove it.

If you want me to stop asking you about these things, it is easy. Just prove you are right, and I will stop. If you can not prove them, then YOU should stop claiming these things.

It is that simple. Exactly what is that is too difficult for you to understand? Point it out, and I can explain again, in other words.

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RE[5]: What about Java?
by tony on Mon 30th Mar 2009 01:06 in reply to "RE[4]: What about Java?"
tony Member since:
2005-07-06


11 march 2009, SUNs CEO blogs
http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/
"For those that continue to ask if we make money with Java, the answer is yes, it's on a ramp to hit about $250m this year - one of our best businesses - and that's just Java on consumer devices, excluding servers"

$250m USD is hardly "not making money out of Java", eh? Why do you state that SUN is not making money out of Java? Are you lying or are you ignorant? Or simply dumb?


$250 million? I'm assuming that's revenue, and 250 million out of about $13.8 billion in revenue (FY'08) is a little less than 2%. While not chump change, it's not a substantial portion of the bottom line.

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RE[6]: What about Java?
by lenrek on Mon 30th Mar 2009 04:29 in reply to "RE[5]: What about Java?"
lenrek Member since:
2005-07-07

"
11 march 2009, SUNs CEO blogs
http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/
"For those that continue to ask if we make money with Java, the answer is yes, it's on a ramp to hit about $250m this year - one of our best businesses - and that's just Java on consumer devices, excluding servers"

$250m USD is hardly "not making money out of Java", eh? Why do you state that SUN is not making money out of Java? Are you lying or are you ignorant? Or simply dumb?


$250 million? I'm assuming that's revenue, and 250 million out of about $13.8 billion in revenue (FY'08) is a little less than 2%. While not chump change, it's not a substantial portion of the bottom line.
"

Someone already answered that before me... :p

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RE[5]: What about Java?
by lenrek on Mon 30th Mar 2009 04:28 in reply to "RE[4]: What about Java?"
lenrek Member since:
2005-07-07

...
When you state that SUN doesnt make money out of Java, is it something you know, wish it would be so, or just sheer phantasies?
...


I am not trying to take side, but, AFAIK, Sun doesn't make much money out of Java.

...
11 march 2009, SUNs CEO blogs
http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/
"For those that continue to ask if we make money with Java, the answer is yes, it's on a ramp to hit about $250m this year - one of our best businesses - and that's just Java on consumer devices, excluding servers"
...


Err... From what I have read, Sun revenue per quarter is about a few billions. So, for a whole year, it should be around 10 billions.

Hence, $250m a year, is really very small contribution to the overall revenue. If, $250m is indeed one of their "best" businesses, then I think, it is a worrying sign for Sun.

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RE[6]: What about Java?
by Kebabbert on Mon 30th Mar 2009 14:18 in reply to "RE[5]: What about Java?"
Kebabbert Member since:
2007-07-27

The question is not about that. Some moron stated that SUN is not making money out of Java, without knowing anything about that matter. That is clearly wrong.



As for "best business", you dont have all the facts, do you? It could be that the lion share of the income SUN has to fight very hard for. And it could be that the Java business is easy.

If I could sell air for a minor profit, that would be extremely good business. And if I could handle nuclear waste for a large amount of money, that could potentially be very risky and could punish me severely, with large potential liabilities later. Taking risk is not always a good thing, it could be bad business.

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