Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 2nd Apr 2009 16:12 UTC, submitted by Rahul
Gnome Only a few days ago, we ran an article on the future of KDE and GNOME, and which of the two had the brighter future based on their developmental processes. Barely has that discussion ended, or the GNOME engineering team comes with a pretty daunting plan to introduce a fairly massive reworking of the GNOME interface for GNOME 3.0 (2.30). Read on for the details.
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usr0
Member since:
2006-10-27

Let's hope that GNOME 3 will not repeat the KDE 4 disaster. KDE 4 was announced with colored bells and whistles as the breakthrough desktop environment and even a Windows version should be released (there was a pre-alpha Windows port of KDE two years ago). Today, despite its 2 major releases KDE 4.2 is still a mess and unusable. I have used and loved KDE 3.x for five years but now I have switched to GNOME and will not come back because every major Linux distribution uses GNOME as default DE.

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stooovie Member since:
2006-01-25

Spot on, what I love about Gnome is simplicity. I don`t get that with KDE, features or not.

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sbenitezb Member since:
2005-07-22

Today, despite its 2 major releases KDE 4.2 is still a mess and unusable.


It is not unusable, I'm using it right now. I can write mail in the incredible (and best mail client ever) KMail, I can browse the web with Konqueror, I can chat with Kopete, read PDFs with the magnificient Okular, download movies with the almighty KTorrent, manage files with the fine Dolphin (still I agree with most people that nepomuk doesn't solve any problem, as there's not any problem with files), write some LaTeX with Texmaker, play movies with Dragonplayer (needs more work), etc. It's already usable for a lot of people. Maybe that's a matter of what distro are you using, perhaps your distro is screwed. Mine works fine (arch here).

Still I want KOffice 2 to be in good shape with some Word and Powerpoint support. What else can one ask for?

There's lot of people criticizing Plasma and the new desktop without icons (you can enable icons) and all that shit. People that use gnome and still say KDE offers too little customizability; f--k, you're using gnome, you can't even edit most toolbars! So vote me down for saying this, but if you don't like KDE now, because IT IS INCOMPLETE and IT IS BEING WORKED ON, go use gnome and shut up. Don't just say it's totally unusable.

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usr0 Member since:
2006-10-27

It is not about writing mail with KMail - it is about writing mail with KMail without any crash. Ok, I do not know how stable KMail is but the overall stability of the KDE desktop is only comparable to Win98 (unfortunately it is not just a bad joke). It is also about responsiveness: Why must I wait almost a second until KMenu comes up? On Vista the Start menu interacts with the user instantly and without any - the same with GNOME.

Again: I WAS a big fan of KDE for 5 years, but KDE 4 is in my view the biggest disaster in OSS history and only the HURD saga (will be released next year:) can keep up with this disaster.

GNOME could be better in many ways: Almost everything is static here and you can't customize anything, and, and, and. But hey! I get my work done using GNOME. I cannot claim the same about KDE. Basically I use only 3 apps: Eclipse, Firefox and the Terminal. Eclipse and Firefox still look odd under KDE. Ok, GNOME's Terminal is crap but at least it remembers its settings.

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usr0 Member since:
2006-10-27

I will NEVER EVER(!) forget how KDE has screwed up my Powerpoint presentation because it has not managed to connect to the beamer; and no, X has nothing to do with it. Of course I have tried if the beamer works fine with my notebook setup before (two times!). But as it came to the actual presentation nothing worked. Fortunately I had a good old paper backup of my presentation... But the nicely prepared presentation was screwed up - by KDE!

Again, it wasn't any nerdy tinker game. I was the stuff I do to pay my rent - screwed up by KDE. So long to the reliability of KDE. An now hate me because I don't like you favorite toy!

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cmost Member since:
2006-07-16

Let's hope that GNOME 3 will not repeat the KDE 4 disaster. KDE 4 was announced with colored bells and whistles as the breakthrough desktop environment and even a Windows version should be released (there was a pre-alpha Windows port of KDE two years ago). Today, despite its 2 major releases KDE 4.2 is still a mess and unusable. I have used and loved KDE 3.x for five years but now I have switched to GNOME and will not come back because every major Linux distribution uses GNOME as default DE.


Stop being so dramatic. I would hardly term KDE 4.2 "a mess" or "unusable." In fact, KDE 4.2 is the first version of KDE 4.x that IS usable and ready for the masses. Obviously the Debian developers think so as KDE 4.2 is moving from Experimental to Testing this week. I'm sorry you seem to be having trouble with KDE 4.2. Have you considered that it might be operator error?

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

I would hardly term KDE 4.2 "a mess" or "unusable."

Some of us might respecfully disagree.
Obviously the Debian developers think so as KDE 4.2 is moving from Experimental to Testing this week.

It's completely skipping the "unstable" branch?

Here is how Wikipedia describes the Debian repos:

"""
Software packages in development are either uploaded to the project distribution named unstable (also known as sid), or to the experimental repository. Software packages uploaded to unstable are normally versions stable enough to be released by the original upstream developer, but with the added Debian-specific packaging and other modifications introduced by Debian developers. These additions may be new and untested. Software not ready yet for the unstable distribution is typically placed in the experimental repository.
"""

So up to this week, Debian has considered KDE4 not to be stable enough to go into "Stable", "Testing", or even "Unstable". (The Debian "Experimental" branch is one that I only learned about due to the prolonged KDE4 fiasco.) But you think KDE4 has been ready for the masses since the release of 4.2? And I'm unclear why you think that inclusion in "Testing" is some vote of confidence. It is only a vote that they think they might consider it stable in a year and a half or so.

Edited 2009-04-02 21:06 UTC

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