Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 3rd Apr 2009 22:45 UTC
FreeBSD The FreeBSD team has pushed out the first test build of FreeBSD 7.2, a beta release. "The first of the test builds for the FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE cycle is now available. Testing of two recent changes to the system would be particularly valuable. The bce(4) network driver was updated a few days ago. And some significant work was done on the threading libraries a short time ago that is known to fix several major issues but testing to see if it introduced any regressions would be appreciated."
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RE: No graphical installer?
by J-freebsd_98 on Sat 4th Apr 2009 17:37 UTC in reply to "No graphical installer?"
J-freebsd_98
Member since:
2006-01-01

Freebsd is coded by volunteers almost if not
entirely. If you review the freebsd-questions
list (or either of the two principal forums,
I forget precisely which of the 3 has the
most discussion), you will find threads about
the topic, and can find links to the beta
of the graphical installer. (Hundreds of
Freebsd users probably recall more than I
about the topic).
........
I favor an installer with choices on the left,
consequences on the right (like most BIOS setups)
as well as kernel config's and xorg.conf's
config tools similar. But that is a whole
other project that can be made but broken if
not enough resources are allocated.
.........
Might change my mind if I ever use a
graphical installer. AFAIK, since the
system can be upgrade perpetually, I should
never have to install "per se" again so
am not qualified nor motivated to persue
the issue further.
..........
The above is a rough draft of a reply. Hopefully
it is better than no answer.

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marcelkoopman Member since:
2007-03-23

I used to believe that text based installers is all you need. But i've tried Ubuntu, and that is really a step forward. You can browse the internet while installation is underway. Thats what I call handy if you dont understand some installation options or dont want to stare at a progressbar.

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fithisux Member since:
2006-01-22

I also like text installers.

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darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Well, strictly speaking, the graphical installer in Ubunt isn't what allows you to browse the internet. It's the fact that the CD is a live Ubuntu environment. They could just as easily run a text-based installer in a terminal window if they wanted, but they might as well make it graphical, seeing as how the environment is ready and able to accomodate it anyhow.
The graphical installers I hated were the type that weren't a live environment, typically supported much less hardware (in both their kernel and X configuration) than their fully installed environment, and generally caused hell because of it: anything from failure to load the X server, a frozen system, or crashes mid way through. These were the types of installers that Fedora/Red Hat used to have, and I believe they still have them though Fedora also now has a Live CD. Fortunately, in Linux, most distributions have moved to Live installers now and, in the case of the three main BSDs, their installs are text-based.
I, for one, think that Free/Net/OpenBSD should always keep their text-based installers, even if they eventually focus on graphical ones. The BSDs serve very well, naturally, as a server and text-based installs are very handy when installing on to various headless servers or needing to install remotely. Any os or distribution that claims to be server-oriented should never abandon a text-based installation process, they really can get you out of some tight spots.

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coreyography Member since:
2009-03-06

I guess I've just become used to the assumption that I will need another computer nearby, Internet-connected and with a working browser, to consult my manuGoogle if I have problems, but I don't see lack of a graphical installer as a huge loss. I know it's often cited as one of those things that keeps Joe Sixpack and his grandma away from Unix-ish open-source OSes, but then again you can't get online with Windows while doing an install, either.

What's more important for inexperienced users in my mind is good hardware detection and assistance with things like disk partitioning (though again, Windows up through XP at least wasn't exceedingly helpful in that latter area).

I've never installed MacOS so don't know about them.

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