Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 5th Apr 2009 10:27 UTC
Windows Microsoft's "You find it, you keep it" campaign, which directly attacks Apple, has seen another instalment. The first one, with Lauren criticising Apple for its pricing policy and lack of choice, was met with mixed reviews, and I'm sure the second one will not be received any differently. Giampaolo disses Apple for a lack of power and being all about aesthetics.
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RE[2]: What idiots
by christianhgross on Sun 5th Apr 2009 11:53 UTC in reply to "RE: What idiots"
christianhgross
Member since:
2005-11-15

>Not everybody thinks that the BSD core is the ultimate solution when it comes to operating systems. Windows NT core is as good as anything else. In fact it would be stupid to have only unix-like systems in the world.

No its not actually. Here is the thing, and I was with NT from the beginning. The original premise of NT was superb. In fact it was a REAL cutting edge kernel that could hold its own. But then around NT 3.51 they bastardized the kernel when they moved GDI into kernel space. At that point NT became an overbloated operating system.

Microsoft does have the ability to make NT go back to its roots, but they don't want to for fear of what may happen.

So why did they leave their roots? Performance. Though I doubt today with how graphic processors work it would be a problem.

>Drag and drop software installation? ;) Sorry but it's not a solution.

Sorry but that is a solution. I hate Windows installers because users get it wrong all the time. What happens is that you give them a link to download and install.

They uninstall all right, but then they install the same old installer. Yes you can change the name or what have you, but they get it wrong quite often. It sounds stupid, but that is reality. So I will be providing support for an old version of the software and wonder what is going on.

Then on top of that the problem is that the files on a windows system are scattered all over the place. When my clients move from one machine to another they expect all of their settings to magically move with them from the installer.

My solution these days is to use subversion, and fixed location installations. It works like a charm! User's always have working systems, etc... They can mirror their application save it to the version control system and move back to old systems.

BTW I write Excel based trading systems that use my platform called HippoTrader.

I make my money with Excel and Windows, but Vista and the later editions of Windows are crap!

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RE[3]: What idiots
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 5th Apr 2009 12:06 in reply to "RE[2]: What idiots"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

But then around NT 3.51 they bastardized the kernel when they moved GDI into kernel space. At that point NT became an overbloated operating system.


It's actually a little bit different. The decision to move something like GDI into the kernel might be debatable, but the fact that you actually CAN do it is a testament to the flexibility and clean design of the NT kernel and its tools.

NT is not "bloated". NT is perfectly fine the way it is, and is probably a lot more advanced than what the competition has to offer (on the lower levels, that is). The userland is what sometimes makes Windows so dreadful, but with Windows 7 its seems like they're finally addressing that properly.

People claiming that Microsoft needs to use another kernel (like a BSD one) have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. Yes let's replace one of the world's most stable, advanced kernels+tools for something as archaic in design as UNIX.

Edited 2009-04-05 12:07 UTC

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RE[3]: What idiots
by BluenoseJake on Sun 5th Apr 2009 12:55 in reply to "RE[2]: What idiots"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

No its not actually. Here is the thing, and I was with NT from the beginning. The original premise of NT was superb. In fact it was a REAL cutting edge kernel that could hold its own. But then around NT 3.51 they bastardized the kernel when they moved GDI into kernel space. At that point NT became an overbloated operating system.


uh, they moved it back out into userland for Vista, oh and they moved the audio into userspace as well, so I guess I don't have to read any farther.

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RE[4]: What idiots
by kaiwai on Sun 5th Apr 2009 12:59 in reply to "RE[3]: What idiots"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

uh, they moved it back out into userland for Vista, oh and they moved the audio into userspace as well, so I guess I don't have to read any farther.


Ah, no they didn't. There are still parts of the audio stack in the kernel, along with the graphics layer as well.

The good side that Microsoft now has a user space driver API, too bad Microsoft doesn't extensively use it; case in point was my parents desktop which has a Belkin USB based wireless; whilst it was transferring I opened up the device manager, double clicked on the the device and the whole thing BSOD'ed on me. Something that could have been avoided had they been user space drivers - specifically had they forced vendors to write user space drivers.

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RE[4]: What idiots
by tylerdurden on Sun 5th Apr 2009 19:33 in reply to "RE[3]: What idiots"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

Here is a hint for all those who use "userland" .... chances are that the term does not mean what some of you think it means.

Case in point, if you think drivers belong to "userland" you are part of the above mentioned group.

Edited 2009-04-05 19:33 UTC

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