Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 10th Apr 2009 15:43 UTC, submitted by Alexander Yerenkow
PC-BSD PC-BSD, the desktop-oriented FreeBSD variant, has released version 7.1, dubbed Galileo. In case you don't know, PC-BSD is a FreeBSD distribution with lots of customisations focussed on the desktop user. Its most defining features is the Push Button Installer, a self-contained package format with handy installers/uninstallers. PC-BSD 7.1 comes loaded with changes and updates.
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RE[3]: Comment by Stephen!
by Liquidator on Sat 11th Apr 2009 05:51 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Stephen!"
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I just type

Yep, that's the problem

except that it's less similar to the way Windows and MacOS do it?

Yet another problem you pointed out here.
See...What is easier for you is not necessary for someone else.

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RE[4]: Comment by Stephen!
by Doc Pain on Sun 12th Apr 2009 15:30 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Stephen!"
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"I just type

Yep, that's the problem

Show me how to install software without doing any keytroke - without any. And show me masses of people doing so. :-)

By the way, it's not even possible to install "Windows" without touching the keyboard. If you define the fear of touching a key as a min habit of the average user... good luck. The "Windows" installer invites the user to "press the Enter key to continue" - in fact, I'm not sure what it says in English, but in German, it says to press the "input key" (Eingabetaste) which is a major problem for computer newbeies, because there's no such key (labeled) on the keyboard, the german version has the "arrow down and left" and "Enter", but no "Eingabe".

Keyboards are not so complicated as some people wish them to be. In the past, computer newbies made their way through C64s and through DOS, Do you want to tell me that people have gotten more and more stupid over the years?

I do support some FreeBSD systems in my family and for friends. When they ask me something, I can simply tell them: "Open a terminal, type 'sudo fsdb -aF' and everything is fine." When I hear my uncle giving someone his "professional" "Windows" advices, do you know how it sounds? He describes pictures, like in a picture book, like you read to children: "See the tiny litte blue orb? Click on this, no no, the other blue thing that looks like a letter. Fine. Now click on the green thing in the upper left, no, no in the upper left of the window, not the desktop. Which window? What do you see at the moment? Describe it to me. No, you're wrong, start again. Now enter the letters A B C, then the a with the circle around it, it's it's... press Alt, then Gr, then Q. No result?"

And I can even write someone a simple mail titled "Enter this at a terminal" and they can copy + paste it (using the middle mouse button, no keystrokes involved).

Or for diagnostics, I can advice "type '(dmesg; pciconf -lv; usbdevs -v; camcontrol list) | mail -s diags bla@bla.bla". Can you do so in "Windows"? Can you mail someone a list of files as an answer to the questions "Which files do you have there?"

The keyboard is still the main input method for computers. Even newbies should arrange with this fact. It isn't nothing bad per se. It's just how you learn to drive a car. :-)

Don't scare people off the keyboard, and don't try to imply that the mouse is generally more easily to handle. The best solution is to combine them, and to learn how to use them.

Remember people stepping on mice like a foot peal? Or putting the mouse onto the screen? Yes, it's so easy. :-)

Find out more here, if you like:

And I may repeat: Keyboards aren't complicated. They offer a more direct interface to the computer, giving the user the ability to formulate what he wants, instead of making choices out of a previously generated subset (which may not contain what he's searching for).

Yet another problem you pointed out here.
See...What is easier for you is not necessary for someone else.

Individuality. That's why there's PC-BSD for those who are familiar with the concepts "Windows" made them learn.

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