Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 14th Apr 2009 15:38 UTC
GNU, GPL, Open Source On June 29, 2007 the Free Software Foundation released the GNU General Public License, version 3. What happened since then? Federico Biancuzzi had the opportunity to discuss many subjects with the FSF's founder and president Richard Stallman.
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RE[2]: Comment by dvzt
by karl on Tue 14th Apr 2009 21:51 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by dvzt"
karl
Member since:
2005-07-06

You know in all likelihood RMS more thoroughly understood the software industry than you ever have, prior to you even being born. Calling him clueless is like saying that Niel Armstrong has no clue when talking about going to the moon.

RMS would answer your question simply: if you don't enjoy writing software you probably shouldn't be doing it in the first place. When you write software others are going to be forced to use it. These users will be at the mercy of your software and if that software is not available in source form and allow for modification then those users have absolutely no ability to change the software to better fit their needs.

RMS's point is that their comes great responsibility with writing software-something which most softwares authors are completely oblivious to. When you realize that you yourself alone cannot shoulder the burden of that responsibility it behooves you to share your code so that others can improve the software for other users.

Right now a handful of Programs dictate how 80% of those who work with computers work-day in and day out. Those people are forced to use this software by their employers and this software becomes a tool of their employers to further dictate how these people do their jobs. When the programs are Free, the employers can hire people to improve the software for their employees, and in turn the employees can have input in the way the software works that they are forced to use.

I see nothing naieve, clueless or arrogant about such.

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RE[3]: Comment by dvzt
by DrillSgt on Tue 14th Apr 2009 22:01 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by dvzt"
DrillSgt Member since:
2005-12-02

"RMS would answer your question simply: if you don't enjoy writing software you probably shouldn't be doing it in the first place."

That applies to most everything. The fact of the matter remains in that, I would guess, at least 80% of people do not truly enjoy their jobs. You know, the thing that actually puts food on the table, and which Stallman has held only briefly, then moving into that fantasy world of Academia? People write software to make money, though there may be a few who actually enjoy it and don;t want to make money off of it.

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RE[4]: Comment by dvzt
by porcel on Wed 15th Apr 2009 09:07 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by dvzt"
porcel Member since:
2006-01-28

Stallman created gcc and the gnu debugger gdbug and sold them commercially for many years, which he used to live and to start off the Free Software Foundation.

He hasn't drawn a check from MIT in more than two decades and has lived off his work and a McCarthy genius award.

You seem to have very little respect for somebody that has completely changed the way major IT companies do business. There were naysayers claiming that JAVA would never enter the FLOSS realm and they were proven wrong.

Flash may eventually end up in the same place. Adobe would gain financially by having the flash format and spec fully documented under a permissive license. They could always sell flash-based content creation tools. I see no point to keeping their player and the format closed source.

Edited 2009-04-15 09:07 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by dvzt
by darknexus on Tue 14th Apr 2009 22:12 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by dvzt"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

RMS would answer your question simply: if you don't enjoy writing software you probably shouldn't be doing it in the first place.

So what your saying is that, if someone wants to get paid for writing software, they don't enjoy it? They don't wish to support themselves, their families, etc by doing what they enjoy? Taking it further, are you saying that no one should ever be rewarded for doing something if they enjoy it, and should only be paid for doing jobs they don't like?
I don't think RMS has much understanding of the software industry at all. This is not to say he does not understand software, but he seems to have no respect for either the developers who get paid for work they most likely do enjoy, nor respect for the economics of the situation. If that is ones fulltime job, should not that person be paid for their efforts? He dismisses economics as casually as a Christian dismisses the views of an atheist.
I have a lot of respect for the movement he started, and a lot of respect for free software and those who develop it. But, I'm sorry to have to say, I have very little respect for Stallman himself anymore. He's withdrawn into his fantasizing and it doesn't look like he'll be coming down to earth anytime soon.

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RE[3]: Comment by dvzt
by google_ninja on Wed 15th Apr 2009 14:24 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by dvzt"
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

You know in all likelihood RMS more thoroughly understood the software industry than you ever have, prior to you even being born. Calling him clueless is like saying that Niel Armstrong has no clue when talking about going to the moon.


RMS has never worked in the software industry. He has been in academia his entire career, which is very, very different.

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RE[4]: Comment by dvzt
by StephenBeDoper on Sat 18th Apr 2009 18:47 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by dvzt"
StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

RMS has never worked in the software industry. He has been in academia his entire career, which is very, very different.


There's a term I came across a few years back that, IMO, perfectly describes Stallman: "ivory tower radical."

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RE[3]: Comment by dvzt
by StephenBeDoper on Sat 18th Apr 2009 18:46 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by dvzt"
StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

Calling him clueless is like saying that Niel Armstrong has no clue when talking about going to the moon.


That would only be a valid analogy if Armstrong had spent 20 odd years talking about going to the moon, without ever making it past the stratosphere.

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