Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 20th Apr 2009 11:53 UTC, submitted by tsedlmeyer
Oracle and SUN We've been debating the merits of a possible IBM-Sun deal for a while now, and even Sun itself seemed to be in the dark as to if it would be a good idea to be bought by IBM. These debates are now all moot: in a surprise move (at least, I didn't see any speculation about it) Oracle has bought Sun Microsystems, at USD 9.50 a share, which equates to a total of 7.4 billion USD. The news got out through a press release.
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RE[6]: good for solaris
by akrosdbay on Mon 20th Apr 2009 16:59 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: good for solaris "
akrosdbay
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2008-06-09



The only reason why we get to hear these things is because Linux's code is there for all to have a go at. You haven't been able to see Solaris's bugs, the decrepit device drivers that haven't been touched for years or the glacial pace at which it has been developed for some time.


Eh! Opensolaris.org. There is a source browser. Go read the source for your self.

Glacial pace? How far has sytemtap or kprobes come along? What about BTRFS? any of that crap out of alpha yet? How many users are using it in the data center?

Where is all the rapid development from the linux community?

The main area for bugs within Linux is with device drivers, obviously, and it would be really nice if Solaris had some. You only need to look at how many device drivers Linux has that Sun would love to have for Solaris.


You would love to believe that but then you would have to abandon your belief in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy too.


ROTFL. Well, I'm afraid the 'amateurs' have been handing the asses of the professionals back to them for the last ten years. That's why Sun has just been sold. Maybe the great big penny will drop one of these days on that.


It was Intel doing that not linux alone. Without intel linux wouldn't have done squat. IBM, HP, Apple still have their own OSes. Think about it linux s ionly sucessful on cheap intel hardware or embedded space... Desktops and Datacenters are still nicely mixed. With IBM peddling its mainframes and windows actually on the rise...

Oracle makes money on support contracts. Oracle can drop a box with a free OS and make a killing on the contracts and license for the rest of the stack. No one will be able to compete on price given that Sun's hardware is already competitive with Dell and IBM. Never underestimate the power of subsidy. Works really well for cellphones...

Without the incentive to save a few bucks running linux most customers would just pay Oracle for the whole package...

Edited 2009-04-20 17:08 UTC

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RE[7]: good for solaris
by segedunum on Mon 20th Apr 2009 23:57 in reply to "RE[6]: good for solaris "
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2005-07-06

Eh! Opensolaris.org. There is a source browser. Go read the source for your self.

A source browser? Yer, and? After all these years where can I view the commits that Sun employees and contributors are making every week that will go into the next version of Sun's Solaris and where others can make a bootstrapped alternative? How can people get patches into Solaris? I'll tell you where. Nowhere.

It was Intel doing that not linux alone. Without intel linux wouldn't have done squat.

What? Seriously. What? Intel is somehow single-handedly responsible for Linux's success? Sunshine, run down the list of commits to Linux and you will see a minority of @intel.com addresses in there as opposed to @sun.com addresses with Solaris, if I could find Solaris's repository that is. Sorry, but Linux gained momentum and went right through 2.22 and 2.24 before Intel touched it with a ten foot pole.

Mind you, you have touched on one thing. Intel are actually able to commit lots of device drivers to Linux ;-).

most customers would just pay Oracle for the whole package...

Oracle have been trying that 'whole package' thing for a long time, right from the laughable Network Computer over ten years ago to Oracle Linux today. There's not really anything to suggest they'll be any more successful.

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RE[8]: good for solaris
by akrosdbay on Tue 21st Apr 2009 00:12 in reply to "RE[7]: good for solaris "
akrosdbay Member since:
2008-06-09


A source browser? Yer, and? After all these years where can I view the commits that Sun employees and contributors are making every week that will go into the next version of Sun's Solaris and where others can make a bootstrapped alternative? How can people get patches into Solaris? I'll tell you where. Nowhere.


Really! Nowhere?

http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/onnv/

hg clone ssh://anon@hg.opensolaris.org/hg/onn/onnv-gate

This pulls the source.

Then run hg log on the cloned copy of the entire kernel source base that magically appeared in your local machine.

The log shows the commit history for the entire repository.

Nexenta, Belenix and others have no problem making distros based on OpenSolaris.

Got any more FUD to spread.

The rest of your FUD isn't worth responding too.

Edited 2009-04-21 00:15 UTC

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