Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 21st Apr 2009 09:36 UTC, submitted by davidiwharper
Windows Windows Vista wasn't exactly a success, and as such, Microsoft needed different people to manage the development of Windows 7. One of those new people is Julie Larson-Green, who made a very good showing with Microsoft Office 2007, which took the bold move of replacing the menu-driven interface with the newly designed Ribbon interface. The Sydney Morning Herald (awesome name) decided to take a look at who, exactly, Larson-Green is.
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RE: The ribbon
by dagw on Tue 21st Apr 2009 15:53 UTC in reply to "The ribbon"
dagw
Member since:
2005-07-06

I've yet to personally meet anyone who didn't like the ribbon after giving it a week or so to get used to, and know several people who think it a vast improvement and wish that other apps would adopt it.

Personally I'm not madly in love with it, but I don't see why it get so much hate. Then again I'm a very casual office user, and don't use it day to day.

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RE[2]: The ribbon
by DarKlajid on Tue 21st Apr 2009 16:21 in reply to "RE: The ribbon"
DarKlajid Member since:
2009-03-31

I've yet to personally meet anyone who didn't like the ribbon after giving it a week or so to get used to, and know several people who think it a vast improvement and wish that other apps would adopt it.

Personally I'm not madly in love with it, but I don't see why it get so much hate. Then again I'm a very casual office user, and don't use it day to day.


Thanks for the answer. I'm really interested to hear that. Of course it _has_ to work for a large amount of people and I expect that MS did serious UI testing and after all it's in wide use. Anyway, it's good to explicitly read that someone made mostly/only good experiences with this thing.

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RE[3]: The ribbon
by Hae-Yu on Tue 21st Apr 2009 16:58 in reply to "RE[2]: The ribbon"
Hae-Yu Member since:
2006-01-12

I'm an Office power user and I love the ribbon. Training makes all the difference.

When our organization rolled it out, they provided desktop shortcuts that linked to both in-house and MS-supplied CBTs. They did this at least 2 months before deployment.

My dept was part of the initial test run (<300 licenses), so we did the training. We adapted without a hiccup. When it was rolled out to the whole installation (>10k licenses), some didn't get the training, for whatever reason and some didn't even get notices that this upgrade would happen. For the most part, they hated it.

Obviously, I can't work the way I used to with custom pallets. So you adapt. The time I lose from that is made up by easier to find/ use features that were once obscured. Excel charts used to be a pain in the butt. Now, any kind of chart: snap, snap, snap.

I only have 2 problems with Office 2007:
1) Template folder is buried and hidden! It's not an easy or intuitive process to just get and add a template unless it's through the Office site.
2) Styles can't be modified as easily as they once were. Can't put my finger on what changed, but the process is now aggravating.

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RE[2]: The ribbon
by darknexus on Tue 21st Apr 2009 17:58 in reply to "RE: The ribbon"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Well coming from the perspective of a keyboard user... I fscking hate that ribbon! Try navigating that thing with the keyboard for a bit. That, plus the fact that some options change location depending on what I'm doing... that's not intuitive.
Fortunately I've been able to move completely to Openoffice, so I don't have to deal with MS Office's cludgy interface. From Word 97 onwards I've always felt that Office was trying to do too much--changing the menus based on your usage, auto-correcting things I did not want corrected... and now the freaking ribbon makes it even harder for me to work with it.
No thanks, Microsoft. Go back to the drawing board on that one.

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RE[2]: The ribbon
by ricegf on Tue 21st Apr 2009 21:39 in reply to "RE: The ribbon"
ricegf Member since:
2007-04-25

I've used it for 8 months, and am still less productive than I was with 2003. When shall we meet? :-)

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RE[3]: The ribbon
by kaiwai on Wed 22nd Apr 2009 02:28 in reply to "RE[2]: The ribbon"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

I've used it for 8 months, and am still less productive than I was with 2003. When shall we meet? :-)


So your failure to adapt is apparently the fault of Microsoft? the whole world should stop developing and improving because you, the precious snow flake, refuse to adapt to change? maybe next time Microsoft makes a change they should make an effort to ring you up and getting a vetting as to whether its a good idea *rolls eyes*.

I'ved used the ribbon and maybe because of my experience with Office on the Mac - I am already used to it; but it only took a matter of a few minutes and searching the help file to find somethings I was confused about. The so-called productivity loss you claim is exaraggated to say the least.

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