Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 22nd Apr 2009 17:11 UTC, submitted by linuxmag
Linux "Btrfs holds the promise of giving Linux many enterprise class file system features similar to ZFS but with even more features and better performance. In fact, many Linux experts think that btrfs is one of the keys to the future of Linux. While btrfs is not quite ready to be your only file system, it is in the kernel ready for testing and is still undergoing very heavy development. In this article we will introduce the key features of btrfs find out how it compares to existing file systems."
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BetterFS
by sbergman27 on Wed 22nd Apr 2009 18:10 UTC
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Chris Mason, the project lead, has said that he prefers to pronounce btrfs "Better FS". I thought sure that would catch on. It's catchy and positive. How in the world did this "Butter FS" pronunciation become so popular?

To the extent that names make a difference, I'm calling it Better FS, and I hope you do too. :-)

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RE: BetterFS
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 22nd Apr 2009 18:33 in reply to "BetterFS"
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2005-06-29

Chris Mason, the project lead, has said that he prefers to pronounce btrfs "Better FS". I thought sure that would catch on. It's catchy and positive. How in the world did this "Butter FS" pronunciation become so popular?


The pronunciation as "butter" comes from trying to pronounce "btr". In English, and many related languages, the voiced bilabial plosive ("b") ends in a closed back rounded vowel ("u").

Dude, common knowledge.

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RE[2]: BetterFS
by Soulbender on Wed 22nd Apr 2009 18:37 in reply to "RE: BetterFS"
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2005-08-18

Only pronouncing "btr" sounds more like better than butter. The letter b is usually pronounced "be" not "bu".

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RE[2]: BetterFS
by sbergman27 on Wed 22nd Apr 2009 19:21 in reply to "RE: BetterFS"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

Dude, common knowledge.

The pronunciation issue is not worth a long back and forth flame war. But...

Dude, my native language is English. And I disagree. "Better FS" is just as natural a pronunciation. It's the pronunciation preferred by the filesystem's author, which is significant. If you said that Thom Holwerda, as a proper noun, should be pronounced "Baked Beans", that carries some weight, despite anyone else's opinion as to whether it makes sense or not. (Common knowledge.) And "Better FS" is better PR, to boot.

Edited 2009-04-22 19:23 UTC

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RE[2]: BetterFS
by tyrione on Thu 23rd Apr 2009 11:52 in reply to "RE: BetterFS"
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2005-11-21

"Chris Mason, the project lead, has said that he prefers to pronounce btrfs "Better FS". I thought sure that would catch on. It's catchy and positive. How in the world did this "Butter FS" pronunciation become so popular?


The pronunciation as "butter" comes from trying to pronounce "btr". In English, and many related languages, the voiced bilabial plosive ("b") ends in a closed back rounded vowel ("u").

Dude, common knowledge.
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Common knowledge that Btr phonetically sounds like butter, in English? Or do you mean UK English?

How about they just named it BTFS ala Binary-tree Filesystem? Too UPS for them?

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RE: BetterFS
by Piranha on Wed 22nd Apr 2009 18:39 in reply to "BetterFS"
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2008-06-24

The first name you hear is generally the way you say it for a long time - old habits are hard to break.

I was thinking it was called ButterFS, because it was so flexible on what you can add in to it (modular and always changing shape). It's still years away from even coming close to how stable and debugged ZFS is today, but it does look attractive. If it can be integrated alongside ZFS in multiple OS's, that would be interesting.

ZFS has been out now for 4 years after it was introduced to OpenSolaris in Nov '05. It'll be interesting to see how quickly it comes along with the open community working on it versus on how Sun did with their developers. Running with the GPL license should pull in a larger pool of developers I would think as well. Only time will tell!

PS: http://lwn.net/Articles/267896/ shows Zach Brown of Oracle saying it's "Butter FS". And according to wikipedia:

Valerie Henson. (2008-01-31). http://mirror.linux.org.au/pub/linux.conf.au/2008/Thu/mel8-262.ogg Chunkfs: Fast file system check and repair. Retrieved on 2008-02-05. Event occurs at 18m 49s. "It's called Butter FS or B-tree FS, but all the cool kids say Butter FS"

Edited 2009-04-22 18:45 UTC

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RE[2]: BetterFS
by sbergman27 on Wed 22nd Apr 2009 19:38 in reply to "RE: BetterFS"
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2005-07-24

Zack and Valerie, as much as I respect them, are not the primary authors. I'm not certain whether or not they are even contributors. Zack may work at Oracle, but the only btrfs developer I have ever heard from, or heard mentioned, is Chris Mason. (Although he *has* thanked Zack, on occasion, for "his ideas".) If Chris, the author, says "Better", I say "Better".

Edited 2009-04-22 19:40 UTC

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Would this have a better appeal ?
by Kochise on Thu 23rd Apr 2009 16:46 in reply to "BetterFS"
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2006-03-03

Try marketing it under the "Butt-her FS" brand, that would do it for geeks ;)

Kochise

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