Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 27th Apr 2009 15:07 UTC
Editorial Last week, Apple again repeated its claim that the iPhone and iPod Touch are capable of filling the netbook niche. They also claimed that netbooks can barely be called personal computers. Both of these statements are complete and utter nonsense, but instead of writing down some high-level definition of what a netbook is, I decided to simply write down all the things I do with my netbook that the iPhone/iPod Touch cannot do to make the difference between the two that much more tangible.
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RE: what? where?
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 27th Apr 2009 16:30 UTC in reply to "what? where?"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

"the iPhone and iPod Touch are capable of filling the netbook niche."

Where did Apple say this?


Jobs on netbooks:

http://www.osnews.com/story/20424/Jobs_on_Cheap_Computers_Netbooks

"You know, one of our entrants into that category if you will is the iPhone, for browsing the Internet, and doing email and all the other things that a netbook lets you do. And being connected via the cellular network wherever you are, an iPhone is a pretty good solution for that, and it fits in your pocket."

Cook on netbooks:

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-and-Notebooks/Apple-CFO-Netbooks-...

"Cook asserted that for many people an iPhone or iPod Touch would be a better alternative to a mini-notebook. "We have other products to accomplish some of what people are buying netbooks for," he said.""

There you are.

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RE[2]: what? where?
by lqsh on Mon 27th Apr 2009 16:36 in reply to "RE: what? where?"
lqsh Member since:
2007-01-01

I guess what Jobs defines a NetBook to be is not the same as others do.

Jobs - Netbook lets you surf the net, check email, watch videos etc.

Others - Netbook is a small laptop.

In some ways I agree with Jobs. A netbook doesn't have to be the exact same thing as a laptop (but only smaller).

Why is a NetBook a separate category? Its just a laptop with a 10 (9, 7, whatever) screen.

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RE[3]: what? where?
by lurch_mojoff on Mon 27th Apr 2009 16:57 in reply to "RE[2]: what? where?"
lurch_mojoff Member since:
2007-05-12

Others - Netbook is a small laptop.

Yet, when someone points out that by and large netbooks are severely underpowered, even compared to low end notebooks, people jump out of the woodwork arguing that they are plenty powerful for what most people use computers for - browsing, email, IM, writing the occasional document.

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RE[3]: what? where?
by middleware on Tue 28th Apr 2009 13:55 in reply to "RE[2]: what? where?"
middleware Member since:
2006-05-11

Prefixing a term with "small" sometimes puts the result term into a different category from the original term. I wouldn't have any difficult in working hours on a word document on any laptop with 13' screen and standard keyboard, but I will never try to do so on a screen even 11'.

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RE[2]: what? where?
by Chicken Blood on Mon 27th Apr 2009 17:13 in reply to "RE: what? where?"
Chicken Blood Member since:
2005-12-21

So in both cases the implication was that the iPhone fulfills some of the needs of the netbook market.

Nobody said that it fills that niche.

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RE[2]: what? where?
by macUser on Mon 27th Apr 2009 17:45 in reply to "RE: what? where?"
macUser Member since:
2006-12-15

""the iPhone and iPod Touch are capable of filling the netbook niche."

Where did Apple say this?


Jobs on netbooks:

http://www.osnews.com/story/20424/Jobs_on_Cheap_Computers_Netbooks

"You know, one of our entrants into that category if you will is the iPhone, for browsing the Internet, and doing email and all the other things that a netbook lets you do. And being connected via the cellular network wherever you are, an iPhone is a pretty good solution for that, and it fits in your pocket."

Cook on netbooks:

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-and-Notebooks/Apple-CFO-Netbooks-...

"Cook asserted that for many people an iPhone or iPod Touch would be a better alternative to a mini-notebook. "We have other products to accomplish some of what people are buying netbooks for," he said.""

There you are.
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They are saying that for what some people would use a netbook for, the iPhone will do the same job. I don't see anything in those statements that says the iPhone makes netbooks irrelevant.

I would agree with them. I honestly don't need a netbook, but the iPhone suits my needs perfectly. Does it suit everybody's needs perfectly? No. Why all the drama? It's like you guys are personally offended that Apple isn't in the netbook market.

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RE[3]: what? where?
by Bobthearch on Mon 27th Apr 2009 17:52 in reply to "RE[2]: what? where?"
Bobthearch Member since:
2006-01-27

Jobs on netbooks:

http://www.osnews.com/story/20424/Jobs_on_Cheap_Computers_Netbooks

"You know, one of our entrants into that category if you will is the iPhone, for browsing the Internet, and doing email and all the other things that a netbook lets you do. And being connected via the cellular network wherever you are, an iPhone is a pretty good solution for that, and it fits in your pocket."


The bolded section is a flat-out lie.

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RE[2]: what? where?
by lqsh on Mon 27th Apr 2009 18:04 in reply to "RE: what? where?"
lqsh Member since:
2007-01-01

for browsing the Internet, and doing email and all the other things that a netbook lets you do.


Yeah, 'all the other things' doesn't make too much sense. For browsing the Internet and doing email though, I much prefer the 'fits in my pocket' feature.

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RE[3]: what? where?
by ephracis on Mon 27th Apr 2009 19:47 in reply to "RE[2]: what? where?"
ephracis Member since:
2007-09-23

I would prefer to browse the net and do email on a netbook since I tend to do a lot of text input. A phone is good for text messages but any larger text is a pain.

I recall the quote from Simpsons: "The fingers you have used to dial are too fat".

Phones need to address the text input problem. T9 are not that super-solution. Neither is speech-to-text. When we get something else (mind reading or special gloves) then maybe I can finally use a phone for my browsing. Add contact lenses with tiny displays and I can probably replace all my computers.

But that's at least 20 years into the future. ;)

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