Linked by Rahul on Tue 28th Apr 2009 14:49 UTC
Fedora Core Fedora 11 Preview Release has been announced with a large number of new features, even more so than previous general releases. This includes Presto (delta RPM updates reducing bandwidth usage over 80% typically), automatic font and mime installer via PackageKit, Nouveau as the default driver for Nvidia cards (3D support is not mature and disabled however), simplified Anaconda text mode installation and minimal installation support, automatic Bug Reporting tool, native access to Microsoft Exchange using OpenChange, Firefox 3.1 and ThunderBird 3.0, Windows Cross Compiler (MinGW and a comprehensive set of cross compiled libraries), Ext4 as the default filesystem, experimental support for the next generation Btrfs filesystem, improved I18N with the switch to IBus input system by default, much improved Kernel Mode Support, many virtualization and security improvements, RPM 4.7, GNOME 2.26, KDE 4.2, Xfce 4.6, Linux Kernel 2.6.29, Python 2.6. GCC 4.4 and several other changes.
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by _xmv on Wed 29th Apr 2009 10:04 UTC
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i wish fedora was that kind of distros that you can upgrade day by day (not per release).
Maybe i wish they ditched RPM as well, but I suppose they mainly fixed it by now ;)

the packages are of an excellent quality, regularly above all other distros. I support our own distro here, and while being debian based, when something goes wrong, patches always come from fedora/redhat. these guys almost always have things right.

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RE: upgrades
by aunzim on Thu 30th Apr 2009 07:12 in reply to "upgrades"
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Fedora is like that. I have a F9 and a F10 both are upgraded with the same program versions... Kde 4.2.2 for instant

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RE: upgrades
by gilboa on Thu 30th Apr 2009 14:59 in reply to "upgrades"
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A. Fedora is release based. Actually, come to think about it, unless you're using Gentoo, everything is release based. (Debian Sid doesn't count).
B. Fedora anaconda installer could always be used to upgrade previous versions, you just need to start it somehow. (CD/DVD kit, Network boot, etc).
However, during the development phase of Fedora 10, a new tool was introduced - preupgrade, which automates the process of version upgrades. I've upgraded a large number of F8 and F9 installations to F10 and it more-or-less worked out of the box.
C. What's wrong with RPM? Granted, back in the RedHat 5-9 days, the lack of a network front-end (such as yum/apt/etc) made life pretty difficult. Never the less I fail to see how RPM is any worse than DEB. (Actually having created both RPM and DEB packages I must admit that I prefer RPM).

- Gilboa

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RE[2]: upgrades
by sbergman27 on Thu 30th Apr 2009 15:46 in reply to "RE: upgrades"
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C. What's wrong with RPM? Granted, back in the RedHat 5-9 days, the lack of a network front-end (such as yum/apt/etc) made life pretty difficult. Never the less I fail to see how RPM is any worse than DEB.

FWIW, Up2date was introduced by Red Hat during the old 7.x series. (Was it 7.0?) and was backported to 6.2.

From a user's standpoint, it is not so much any particular technical features of debs that set deb-based distros apart. It is the availability of a mind boggling breadth of packages, organized into just a few centralized, well known, and well defined repositories which generally don't conflict with each other. (More packages, better organized than in the yum world.) Apt (as distinct from dpkg) is also, in the real world, much faster than yum, both in handling all the metadata, and in doing the actual downloads. I believe it can parallelize downloads from multiple servers.

Also, yum's memory requirements are insane. I have about a 60 user XDMCP server maxed out at 12GB of memory. Performance is find during the day, with 60 Gnome desktops running. No complaints about performance.

But I don't dare run 'yum install some_package' during the day. Because it causes such a swap storm that I know I will immediately get a call from the general manager saying that everyone is locked up. (Edit: I feel like I should add that I'm *really* not making this up.) It's one of the (many) reasons that I'm migrating the machine to a different distro next month.

rpm and deb may be theoretically equivalent as formats. But in the real world, the differences are readily apparent.

Edited 2009-04-30 15:53 UTC

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