Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 5th May 2009 22:04 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Many Linux users have experience with Wine, the application compatibility layer which allows some Windows programs to run on UNIX-like machines. During Ubuntu's Open Week event, Mark Shuttleworth was asked about Wine, and how important he believes it is for the success of Ubuntu.
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Ridiculous
by galvanash on Wed 6th May 2009 01:40 UTC
galvanash
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2006-01-25

During Ubuntu's Open Week event, Mark Shuttleworth was asked about Wine, and how important he believes it is for the success of Unbuntu.


I'm surprised the answer was as diplomatic as it was to be honest. The question is ridiculous. The only project Wine's success is important to IS Wine (and by fiat ReactOS as well - but my overriding point applies to that project as well). The LAST thing any Linux distribution needs to be successful is to become a platform for running Windows applications - that will accomplish nothing lasting.

I'm not dissing Wine, its great and comes in handy from time to time, but it will eventually be cursed by its own success. It's goals may be reachable, but the expectations of its users are untenable. It will never achieve a level of compatibility with Windows that a normal Windows user will be satisfied with. Not for lack of effort, simply because Microsoft will not let it happen - the shiny new version of Office 2015 or whatever is the app of the day wont run on Wine when it is released... It will always trail behind. And if history proves accurate it will generally trail behind in YEARS.

In a nutshell, if you are a user that NEEDS Wine in order for Linux to fulfill your needs, you may as well go back to running Windows - it will almost certainly work better for you in the long run. As much as it pains me to say that - its true.

The key to Linux becoming successful is the same thing that was key in Windows becoming successful - native applications. BETTER native applications, not ripoffs. Linux developers need to start trying to write creative and original applications and stop the constant march to duplicate this or that Windows app. The APIs to do so are there - use them.

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RE: Ridiculous
by aaronb on Wed 6th May 2009 18:05 in reply to "Ridiculous"
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2005-07-06

I see what you mean, however many people have already invested in software on Windows and wine seems to be a good transitioning tool.

The only Windows software I use are games (Mostly outdated ones). Ubuntu suits my needs for everything else so it makes sense to use Wine.

Windows 7 has a XP mode for business to ease the transition. XP and Vista has compatibility modes.

Mac OS X had classic mode, then Rosetta.

And Linux has Wine.

There are also other points about Linux that we have probably all read at some point about how there are different package formats and tools (RPM and Yum, DEB and apt-get). Mac OS X and Risc OS seem to have it right with dragging 1 file over.

Again it is more of a transitioning tool as native applications provide a better experience, wine has the potential to stop the "chicken and egg" cycle as developers do not want to put time into Linux due to user base size and many do not use Linux as their invested software does not run.

Wine being behind Windows is not a entirely bad thing. If it was completely up to date why not just develop for Wine?

Edited 2009-05-06 18:06 UTC

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RE: Ridiculous
by devurandom on Thu 7th May 2009 10:57 in reply to "Ridiculous"
devurandom Member since:
2005-07-06

Without Wine, I would have never been able to use Linux on my office desktop. I need it for only two apps -but I needed these two apps at work.

So, Wine helped a lot.

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