Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 5th May 2009 22:04 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Many Linux users have experience with Wine, the application compatibility layer which allows some Windows programs to run on UNIX-like machines. During Ubuntu's Open Week event, Mark Shuttleworth was asked about Wine, and how important he believes it is for the success of Ubuntu.
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darknexus
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2008-07-15

Oh, of course. If you dare to criticize the all mighty Linux desktop from a point of view that is not acceptable to someone else, you have an agenda. How silly of me to forget. Working overtime on your conspiracies there, Lemur 2?
Everyone has a right to criticize and, even when you present your side and they still do not agree, they have a right to hold that opinion. Ah well... just know, attitudes like yours do more to drive interested parties away from foss than a lot of other factors.
Seriously, are you against free speech or allowing others to hold opinions? If not, you might want to tone down your accusations... just a friendly hint, but the way you often comport yourself, whether you mean to or not, comes across as arrogant, condescending, and overzealous. Relax,... not everyone will agree with you, nor should they. We're not clones, you know.
Now, as for Wine itself... I'm one of those who doesn't really see much point. Sure, you can run that occasional Windows app if the app works, but why? Why make Linux or any other os simply another platform to run Windows applications? I'm of the opinion--and I'll stress that this is just an opinion--that all the time spend in developing Wine could have been better spent developing well thought out, native applications instead of providing a way to run Windows programs... It just doesn't really make sense to me. The foss desktop will never be here if everyone's solution ends up being Wine... if that happens, we all might just as well start developing and using reactos and have done with it.

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Oh, of course. If you dare to criticize the all mighty Linux desktop from a point of view that is not acceptable to someone else, you have an agenda. How silly of me to forget. Working overtime on your conspiracies there, Lemur 2?
Everyone has a right to criticize and, even when you present your side and they still do not agree, they have a right to hold that opinion.


Of course they have a right to hold that opinion.

It is equally my right to point out to everyone else that for 99% of people, that opinion would be overly fastidious. I would hate to hold back from pointing out that Linux had perfectly functional, perfectly usable (for 99% of people), decent, free, malware-and-adware-free applications, and through my silence people went out and un-necessarily spent hundreds of dollars to buy Adobe products.

Ah well... just know, attitudes like yours do more to drive interested parties away from foss than a lot of other factors.


Trying to help people by letting them know that FOSS applications are free, readily available to them, and very functional and eminently suitable for nearly all users is going to drive them away?

On what planet?

Seriously, are you against free speech or allowing others to hold opinions? If not, you might want to tone down your accusations


Accusation?

"Unless you have another agenda." is an accusation? Since when?

... just a friendly hint, but the way you often comport yourself, whether you mean to or not, comes across as arrogant, condescending, and overzealous.


"arrogant, condescending, and overzealous" ... now THAT is an accusation.

Relax,... not everyone will agree with you, nor should they. We're not clones, you know.


I wouldn't post here and put up with this kind of drivel from the likes of you if my purpose was to be liked and have everyone agree with me. That is not MY agenda.

My agenda is to let people know that they DO have a choice, they DON'T have to un-necessarily spend a fortune on Windows and programs for Windows, that there are fully functional alternatives, and they don't have to resort to Wine. There is a vast array of great software to be had for no cost to people, all they need to do is to pay no heed to the voices trying endlessly to rip them off and force them into buying expensive proprietary exploitationware.

Edited 2009-05-06 07:37 UTC

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darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Perhaps I should have used the word "implication" rather than "accusation." If you don't remember, the last line of the comment I quoted basically implied that the OP might have an agenda. That's a pretty clear implication, I suggest you go back and read your own comment.
Pointing out foss is great, the problem with what you do is that when someone dares to say they don't find a free software program adequate, you bring out the implications against them. I'm honestly beginning to wonder if you remember writing half of the things you write. On one hand you typically make valid points--whether someone else agrees or not isn't an issue--and then on the other hand you act as though anyone who doesn't use foss exclusively, who dares to find a proprietary program better, is some kind of unwashed heathen needing enlightenment or something. That is what I object to, and that is where you come off arrogant, condescending, and overzealous, and will drive folks away. Believe it or not, many find that insulting to their intelligence, and will refuse to have anything to do with people like that. You honestly make most of the Mac zealots look like a bunch of calm, collected people.
Still... if you don't get it by now, you never will. You're obviously intelligent, just don't take it personally every time someone doesn't find one of your ideas to their liking (note: implications count as taking it personally).
Oh, and by the way, you've now decided to insult me as well... "from the likes of you?" Pathetic, now I disagree with your zealotry and I get insulted. Well, I feel the same way, buddy... I wouldn't put up with the likes of you if my purpose here was to be liked. I was actually going to let this pass... until I saw that line now directed at me, personally. What'd I say about taking it personal? Hint hint, there.

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