Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 5th May 2009 22:04 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Many Linux users have experience with Wine, the application compatibility layer which allows some Windows programs to run on UNIX-like machines. During Ubuntu's Open Week event, Mark Shuttleworth was asked about Wine, and how important he believes it is for the success of Ubuntu.
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Don't care about WINE
by moondevil on Wed 6th May 2009 10:01 UTC
moondevil
Member since:
2005-07-08

I agree with Mike's opinion.

Sun and IBM tried to support Windows on their systems without much luck. IBM with their OS/2 - Windows compatibility layer. Sun with a on the fly translator,
which name I cannot any longer recall.

Point is, if I migrate OS to keep using the same applications then I don't see the point in migrating in first place.

The applications have to be native, otherwise you will never get proper support from the ISV. They will keep on developing against Windows APIs, because they know WINE will be there, so why bother?

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RE: Don't care about WINE
by Steniko on Wed 6th May 2009 10:17 in reply to "Don't care about WINE"
Steniko Member since:
2008-04-21

To answer your question, you might migrate to Linux because:

- The cost of the OS layer approaches zero
- The OS is more secure
- The OS runs on older/cheaper hardware

And wine lets you do that. Critically the ISV's now only need to support wine compatibilty instead of rewriting the whole app for linux, and this is much much cheaper/faster for them to do. If wine lets you run your windows only apps on linux, why wouldn't you migrate? Wine is therefore, and has proved to be, crucial in driving adoption of the linux desktop.

Edited 2009-05-06 10:18 UTC

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RE[2]: Don't care about WINE
by moondevil on Wed 6th May 2009 10:51 in reply to "RE: Don't care about WINE"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

Sorry but I don't buy that.

On many business when you buy the hardware the OS is already there. If you are buying in quantities you might even get a very nice discount.

Linux might be more secure by default, but it also has vulnerabilities and you need to keep an eye open to security issues.

If a worm owns your browser, accesses your HOME and does what it pleases with the data, what is the benefit of a more secure OS? Linux is more secure but people tend to forget about scenarios such as this one.

About the old hardware. Usually it only works if you use some kind of customized distribution. My experience with more standard distributions is that their hardware requirements are also quite high nowadays.

Linux is a great OS, but for me, WINE does more harm than good.

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RE[2]: Don't care about WINE
by rockwell on Wed 6th May 2009 14:03 in reply to "RE: Don't care about WINE"
rockwell Member since:
2005-09-13

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The cost of the OS layer approaches zero
The OS is more secure
The OS runs on older/cheaper hardware
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True for the geek living in his parent's basement. Blatantly false for just about any business.

Cost approaches zero ... so, you offer lifetime free OS support for your Ubuntu/Fedora/PCLinuxOS clients, huh? Nice!

The OS is more secure ... security by obscurity. No thanks.

The OS runs on older/chearper hardware .... have you tried Jaunty on a Pentium III or Pentium 4 with 256 MB RAM and a 64 MB vid card? I have. Slow as hell.

Thanks for playing!

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