Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 9th May 2009 09:58 UTC
Apple Since it's weekend, which usually equates to no news, we figured we'd follow in Engadget's footsteps by asking you, our dear and loving readers, what you would change about Apple's current Mac Pro. Engadget readers already had a few things to say - this is the internet after all. And since this is OSNews, we add a question of our own: what would you change about Mac OS X?
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RE: More security
by foljs on Sat 9th May 2009 12:33 UTC in reply to "More security"
foljs
Member since:
2006-01-09

OSX is still really secure just because not a lot of people have an incentive to exploit it, not because the security is great.


This has been debunked to death. Read the relevant literature.

As a counter-argument, Mac OS (7|8|9) while being used by the same percentage that use Mac OS X (and even less), had a lot of viruses. OS X has none (trojans requiring user interaction are not viruses).

So it's not the market share percentage that defines how many viruses OS X has in re: to Windows, but O.S implementation.

(Back in the day, Amiga and Atari had a lot of viruses too, despite having only a tiny fraction of Mac OS and PC marketshare).

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RE[2]: More security
by kragil on Sat 9th May 2009 12:56 in reply to "RE: More security"
kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

Most of todays exploits have very little in common with the virii of the good old days. Today those things are coded by professional criminals with a clear money objective.

Apples and Oranges.

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RE[2]: More security
by BluenoseJake on Sat 9th May 2009 14:54 in reply to "RE: More security"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

"OSX is still really secure just because not a lot of people have an incentive to exploit it, not because the security is great.


This has been debunked to death. Read the relevant literature.
"

No it hasn't. I've never seen that successfully debunked. What I have seen however, is that OS X has it's first botnet, which Mac users allowed themselves to build due to pirated software (one of the most important vectors for malware in the Windows world).

I think people who believe that OS X is more secure than Vista will wake up one day and find themselves in the same boat XP users were in, circa 2002.

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RE[3]: More security
by Macrat on Sat 9th May 2009 20:35 in reply to "RE[2]: More security"
Macrat Member since:
2006-03-27

[What I have seen however, is that OS X has it's first botnet,


Social engineering to trick users into INSTALLING malware is a security issue with the OS?

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RE[3]: More security
by DavidSan on Sun 10th May 2009 05:08 in reply to "RE[2]: More security"
DavidSan Member since:
2008-11-18

"[q]OSX is still really secure just because not a lot of people have an incentive to exploit it, not because the security is great.


This has been debunked to death. Read the relevant literature.
"

No it hasn't. I've never seen that successfully debunked. What I have seen however, is that OS X has it's first botnet, which Mac users allowed themselves to build due to pirated software (one of the most important vectors for malware in the Windows world).

I think people who believe that OS X is more secure than Vista will wake up one day and find themselves in the same boat XP users were in, circa 2002. [/q]

I believe, you are very misinformed about some things.... First, it is impossible, to make a system that is user-proof. No matter how hard you try. A computer system cannot prevent the user to do what he or she wants, because it is his or her computer. So If a person is so stupid to install a botnet because he thinks he is so smart that stealing software is cheaper, there is nothing a computer system can do about it.

The problem, and what the person told you is easy to understand.... There is no logic saying market share and viruses spread are related. Viruses are different, because, usually the user can get infected even with just using the computer.

There is a main problem with viruses and it is the way computer operating Systems are design. By design, Mac OS X and Linux are safer than Windows XP... And by design, Windows 7 is more secure than Windows XP...

Part of the problem is the way Windows was originally design, with no Network in mind . Windows 7 is taking care of many things, but in doing so, it breaks applications, so it has to offer a compatibility mode for Windows XP.

Apple happened to approach the thing very similarly in 2000 with Mac OS Classic and Mac OS X.

So, this just means something easy to understand... There are many Viruses for Windows, because, it is easier to write viruses for Windows, than say, any *NIX.

And that was the same for Mac OS 7/8/9, Atari ST and very especially AMIGA, which is the king of viruses if you consider market share.

Is Mac OS X Perfect? No, it is not... But the security design is better. The implementation is not as good as Vista, in some parts, but it is admirably secure.

And, until we fixed the browsers, and how they operate, no system will be completely secure.

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RE[2]: More security
by sbergman27 on Sat 9th May 2009 21:39 in reply to "RE: More security"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

This has been debunked to death.

If it has to be debunked over and over again... perhaps that is because the "debunkings" are not considered to be overly-convincing?

It's kind of like the old "Quitting smoking is easy! I've done it lots of times!" joke.

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RE[2]: More security
by 3rdalbum on Sun 10th May 2009 07:46 in reply to "RE: More security"
3rdalbum Member since:
2008-05-26

As a counter-argument, Mac OS (7|8|9) while being used by the same percentage that use Mac OS X (and even less), had a lot of viruses.


The Macintosh had greatly more marketshare then than it does now. All the viruses for the Mac OS were written during the pre-System 7.5 era when the Macintosh had a reasonable marketshare. I don't recall ever hearing about new viruses from Mac OS 8 onwards.

Be careful when drawing comparisons from those times, anyway; viruses were a much different problem back then.

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