Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 18th May 2009 12:28 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems As you'll hear in the latest OSNews podcast (recorded yesterday, published later today), we had a discussion about Sony and some of its failed attempts at capturing mind share with proprietary technologies, among which the excellent but mismanaged MiniDisc technology. Imagine my surprise when I was browsing the web this morning, looking for news, and stumbled upon a supposedly new model of the Aspire One - with a Vmedia drive. A what?
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I second
by coreyography on Mon 18th May 2009 15:57 UTC
coreyography
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2009-03-06

I second some of what has been said here. This will fail in its current form, not because people want "downloadable" content (I am not one of them, more on that later), but because this offers zero advantages over SDHC or even CompactFlash media -- except maybe on paper to the content companies if they DRM it to death (real world, it _will_ be cracked).

The problem with downloadable (video) content is that the bandwidth is not there to fully support it. Even if I did believe in pirating movies, I for one do not want to wait for nearly 5 GB of data to download -- and that's for a regular DVD, let alone Blu-ray. Downloading is only good IMHO for the quarter-screen stuff I watch on YouTube and the like. Unless codec technology makes some major advances (because the bandwidth providers are not likely to expand the pipes anytime soon), I will still be carting around my physical media.

Edit: What's sad is that Panasonic and Acer waste their time on this crap instead of solving actual customer problems.

Edited 2009-05-18 15:59 UTC

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RE: I second
by bornagainenguin on Mon 18th May 2009 18:08 in reply to "I second"
bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

coreyography posted...

The problem with downloadable (video) content is that the bandwidth is not there to fully support it.


You must mean streaming video.

coreyography posted...
Even if I did believe in pirating movies, I for one do not want to wait for nearly 5 GB of data to download -- and that's for a regular DVD, let alone Blu-ray.


Not true. I've seen Divx rips that were HD quality (or near enough that I couldn't tell the difference) at only 700MBs. You forget the good is the enemy of the perfect--for the average person, "good" is...well, good enough!

coreyography posted...
Downloading is only good IMHO for the quarter-screen stuff I watch on YouTube and the like. Unless codec technology makes some major advances (because the bandwidth providers are not likely to expand the pipes anytime soon), I will still be carting around my physical media.


This has actual started to happen. I mentioned the 700MBs Divx rips above? Well I've seen videos encoded with H.264 that were just as good, if not noticeably better at half that file size. I've also seen some excellent anime encodes that were only 50MBs!

The trouble is finding people who know what they're doing to encode it with those results--people who know how are hoarding their knowledge right now because they think it makes them look like ├╝ber H4X0R5 instead of the impediments they actually are.

coreyography posted...
Edit: What's sad is that Panasonic and Acer waste their time on this crap instead of solving actual customer problems.


No, what's sad is Panasonic and Acer have a wonderful solution to portable media that is small, protected (discs come in cartridges), optimized for battery life on lowe-power devices, etc, but it will never be the success it could be due to the media corporations fiddling while their content distribution empire burns away.

Despite what I said above about codecs improving and so on, being able to just walk into a video store and rent a movie on some form of optical disc is a convenience. Being able to hit any Big Box store and walk out with a handful of movies for a trip is a convenience. Right now there is a huge convenience buffer on the side of the media and content distribution industries, but it won't stay that way forever.

Bandwidth will increase, people will create nwer and better codecs, the world will route around these unnecessary barriers. I'm just sorry to see so many promising pieces of technology cast aside due to inability for the content distributors to get their acts together. I'm also sorry to see us stuck with so many pieces of technology that are only "good enough" because of intransigence like this requiring so much routing around.

--bornagainpenguin

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RE: I second
by bibe on Tue 19th May 2009 12:35 in reply to "I second"
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2005-07-09

The problem with downloadable (video) content is that the bandwidth is not there to fully support it. Even if I did believe in pirating movies, I for one do not want to wait for nearly 5 GB of data to download -- and that's for a regular DVD, let alone Blu-ray.


It's like you overslept last 2 years. Most ~90min movie's on the net fit on a one layer DVD(~4GB) in awesome 720p quality (x264 codec), now if it's your favorite movie and want to enjoy it in full HD/1080p you should buy a BlueRay disc.

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RE[2]: I second
by coreyography on Wed 20th May 2009 02:43 in reply to "RE: I second"
coreyography Member since:
2009-03-06

Well, I guess thanks for the updates. I have not been "sleeping"; it is probably more likely that between the lack of good movies, and the "convenience" of going and getting a DVD from Red Box or Wal-Mart, I have little interest in transcoding or downloading my own (even at ~700MB).

I think the comments about the media companies are spot-on, but even in absence of that I still would not be jumping all over this new format; it is still in my mind inferior to flash memory devices.

I am also not so sure that bandwidth will continue to increase, at least not until there is more financial incentive for providers to increase it. Everywhere I look I see bandwidth providers trying to either cap it or charge more for it above a certain rate.

Edited 2009-05-20 02:47 UTC

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