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OpenSolaris option
by cade on Tue 19th May 2009 06:10 UTC
cade
Member since:
2009-02-28

How about the OpenSolaris option !

Part of Linux's problems may stem from the fact that it grew from someones bedroom rather than from demands of a commercial/"real world" environment.

The open source OpenSolaris stems from the latter scenario. This operating system is powerful/wonderful and can be positioned as a mainstream OS if it keeps getting polished.

There are many technologies in (Open)Solaris that Linux is now starting to clone or can only dream about (e.g. ZFS, DTrace, predictive self healing, programming tools (SunStudio) that leverage Dtrace/etc. technologies, etc.) and stem from the commercial-based realities that affected the design of Solaris from the point of view of Sun Microsystems.

Think of Linux as serving it's purpose in showing that a sufficiently open-sourced operating system has advantages.

Now that this purpose has caused Solaris to be open-sourced by a major company (i.e. Sun), then drop Linux and embrace/support OpenSolaris.

Yes, Linux developers, that means YOU !
Port your Linux apps to OpenSolaris and get your customers onto OpenSolaris.


That's all folks !

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RE: OpenSolaris option
by Murrell on Tue 19th May 2009 22:40 in reply to "OpenSolaris option"
Murrell Member since:
2006-01-04

Because the average user doesn't care about ZFS and DTrace.

I've just had to work with a system on OpenSolaris, and frankly, the packaging* system (especially when compared with Debian), and outdated command line utilities make it hell to use compared to Linux.

The analogy I've used to describe the experience to co-workers is of getting a new powerful all wheel drive truck, and discovering that there's no knob on the gear lever, with just the bare screw sticking up, or that the fuses for all the electrics, including the lights, are not installed.

It's not that it's broken exactly, but that you have to spend a massive amount of time polishing the system to make it usable. Can I get a sane default bash prompt and $PATH? How about a working sudo installation? The lack of this sort of polish is what makes it hell to use, and more expensive than Linux to run - since everything take much much longer.

* Blastwave doesn't count. It is a packaging system, and it does work, but it's a second packaging system to look after next to the official sun system, and neither are anywhere near as good as dpkg/apt.

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RE[2]: OpenSolaris option
by cade on Thu 21st May 2009 07:16 in reply to "RE: OpenSolaris option"
cade Member since:
2009-02-28

Greetings Murrel.

A user not being interested in ZFS/DTrace/etc. is fine and can be expected.

An administrator/developer not being interested in ZFS/DTrace/etc. is foolish and ignorant. Powerful tools/subsystems are important weapons for the admin/developer.

If the developer's life is made more easier or if the developer is made more powerful (in a technological sense) then this would be a good bonus for the user using software created by the developer (better quality software).

The points you raise are related to the "polishing" I mentioned that OpenSolaris needs.

However, OpenSolaris is not a linux-clone (but a real UNIX) and may not necessarily have linux-centric stuff.
However, while "sudo" is used in Linux, "pfexec" is used in OpenSolaris. The snv_111 version of OpenSolaris has "sudo" and if this is not adequate there is no reason why it will not get further polished.

The community recognize the IPS packaging system can be better (still "early days") and will get better as time goes on. Remember, Solaris began life essentially as a server OS and has many nice technologies both useful for workstation and server environments. Maintaining/developing more technologies may mean that some technologies may take longer to mature. Then again people can contribute to the OpenSolaris development community.

My point with OpenSolaris/Solaris is that:

* Alot of "hard work" has been done, been shown to be fruitful and has led to a mature/commercial-proof operating system. This "hard work" will be continuing to allow further enhancements to Solaris.

* Extra attention is now required for the "simpler" "polishing" of OpenSolaris.

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RE[2]: OpenSolaris option
by akrosdbay on Thu 21st May 2009 15:11 in reply to "RE: OpenSolaris option"
akrosdbay Member since:
2008-06-09



I've just had to work with a system on OpenSolaris, and frankly, the packaging* system (especially when compared with Debian), and outdated command line utilities make it hell to use compared to Linux.


Then you have not used OpenSolaris. IPS aka pkg works exactly like APT/dPkg. It works better infact.

pkg image-update pulls the latest full image to update . Clones the root FS since it is on ZFS. Incase the update breaks anything you can just reboot into the previous image and your system is exactly as it was before the update. This whole clone operation takes seconds.

There is a table on OpenSolaris.org that lists the pkg commands and their APT/dpkg counter parts.

May be you can explain why you think PKG is deficient compared to APT.

Also as I illustrated ZFS is great for the average users as described above. I just swapped two mirrored disks with 2 larger disks and it took 4 commands (could have done it with 2) and one reboot after the copy. ZFS automatically grew to fit the new size disks. Try that with any other LVM.

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RE: OpenSolaris option
by strcpy on Thu 21st May 2009 15:53 in reply to "OpenSolaris option"
strcpy Member since:
2009-05-20

Don't worry. Many people have migrated from Linux already.

If you look a little deeper into this thread, you find plenty of reasons why.

Keep up the good work. Good progress is being made with OpenSolaris to provide an alternative open source operating system.

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RE[2]: OpenSolaris option
by akrosdbay on Thu 21st May 2009 16:02 in reply to "RE: OpenSolaris option"
akrosdbay Member since:
2008-06-09

Don't worry. Many people have migrated from Linux already.

If you look a little deeper into this thread, you find plenty of reasons why.

Keep up the good work. Good progress is being made with OpenSolaris to provide an alternative open source operating system.


Yes, Linux has problems but there is no need to take this thread off topic.

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