Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 18th May 2009 22:42 UTC
Mozilla & Gecko clones Tabbed browsing is pretty much the norm by now, with even someone like me (who disliked it vehemently for a long time) finally giving in and start using tabbed browsing (thanks to Chrome, by the way). Well, apparently, Mozilla thinks its time to move on. They believe tabbed browsing has become obsolete, and are asking users to come up with a better alternative.
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RE: Uhm
by Glynser on Tue 19th May 2009 10:33 UTC in reply to "Uhm"
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At least better than Firefox, that browser who forces update on restart ;)

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RE[2]: Uhm
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 19th May 2009 10:39 in reply to "RE: Uhm"
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At least better than Firefox, that browser who forces update on restart

It's demonstrably NOT better.

This means that Opera users are generally less secure - browser-wise - than users of Firefox and Chrome. Opera's lack of an updating mechanism is simply BRAINDEAD and INEXCUSABLE.

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RE[3]: Uhm
by invent00r on Tue 19th May 2009 12:57 in reply to "RE[2]: Uhm"
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I don't get it.

You either don't really know that Opera 10 will have auto-updates or you forcibly don't want to acknowledge this.

The thread you linked to has some users alerting to the fact that Opera lack of self-updating is soon to be fixed. As some users in here also have pointed that out.

True it hasn't been doing so this far, but this ought to be changed very soon.

Also on top of the self-updating feature I think all browsers should have a limited timeframe on which they could browse the web - for example, two years. After that it can only access offline\intranet webpages forcibly causing users\admins to update to the new version.

My uni still has Firefox 2 on most computers - others have version 3 beta 5, and it doesn't look like they will update soon.

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So Opera's late to the game on one feature...
by jrronimo on Tue 19th May 2009 15:38 in reply to "RE[2]: Uhm"
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2006-02-28 -- Opera's working on an auto-update.

I tested it for this build of Opera 10 and it worked in about the same way that Firefox's works: It downloaded the update, then installed it. Sure Opera's looked more like it was installing the program again, but I suspect Firefox's works in a similar fashion, but the install processes are wrapped to a nicer (and more automated) GUI.

Yeah, Opera's late on one feature, but I forgive them for all of the other stuff they've pioneered. ;)

I've been an Opera user forever, but I still treat it like my dirty secret: I tell people "Yeah, but I use a web browser that most people don't. You've got Firefox on your machine, right?" even though I pretty much hate Firefox.

I do advocate Chrome, though. Whole-heartedly.

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RE[2]: Uhm
by ephracis on Tue 19th May 2009 10:58 in reply to "RE: Uhm"
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When the results of badly updated software around the Internet is more spam in my inbox I am all for forcing users to upgrade their software.

Just let people who have a clue turn the feature off, and leave it on as standard of Average Joe who doesn't even know why he should care about updates.

Forced automatic updates by default is a must!

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RE[3]: Uhm
by Glynser on Tue 19th May 2009 11:23 in reply to "RE[2]: Uhm"
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The problem is that you can only skip it once, and with the next restart, it gets downloaded and installed without a question. Yeah, I can see that it's important to be up to date (btw, I always install new Opera updates as soon as I can), but it's just annoying when you have to look up something very quickly and you're short on time, but then the forced update occurs and you have to wait and wait and wait.

And yes, this has happened to me more than just once in a lifetime.

I'd be glad if Opera had a more convenient update mechanism as well, but I wouldn't want it unskippable. I don't want the machines to take control ;)

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RE[2]: Uhm
by asmoore82 on Tue 19th May 2009 20:16 in reply to "RE: Uhm"
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At least better than Firefox, that browser who forces update on restart ;)

A bit of a belly ache crying wolf there:

If on Windows, go to "Tools->Options->Advanced->Update"
If on Linux, you have Proper package management: don't worry, be happy
If on Mac, what are you waiting for? switch to Linux already and get a real Unix Desktop.

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