Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 18th May 2009 19:06 UTC
Linux We all know them. We all hate them. They are generally overdone, completely biased, or so vague they border on the edge of pointlessness (or toppled over said edge). Yes, I'm talking about those "Is Linux ready for the desktop" articles. Still, this one is different.
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RE[6]: *sigh*
by levi on Tue 19th May 2009 22:59 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: *sigh*"
levi
Member since:
2006-09-07


Do you speak English? Do you understand what preemptive kernel BY DEFAULT means?

It means it is optional, it is not required, you can by pass it.


So your argument is flawed. With linux you can have kernel the way you want with Windows you are stuck with one kernel which can't be good for every use. Do you agree ?

"DEFAULT with most distributions" ... but not all, right ? How about http://www.jacklab.org ?

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RE[7]: *sigh*
by DavidSan on Wed 20th May 2009 00:18 in reply to "RE[6]: *sigh*"
DavidSan Member since:
2008-11-18


Do you speak English? Do you understand what preemptive kernel BY DEFAULT means?

It means it is optional, it is not required, you can by pass it.


So your argument is flawed. With linux you can have kernel the way you want with Windows you are stuck with one kernel which can't be good for every use. Do you agree ?

"DEFAULT with most distributions" ... but not all, right ? How about http://www.jacklab.org ?


You are completely out of the discussion. The main reason and the main problem with Linux is that it is its heavily fragmented user base. Everyone is pulling its own way.

Do you honestly believe that a normal user who just want to edit audio is gonna start asking: Which distro has preemptive kernel? Where is my C ompiler to make the stuff work? There are no good audio apps I am gonna make my own!

Get real. You were telling Linux is wonderful for audio, I told you what the problem with audio was. You said it is fixed. No it is not fixed. Other people in the thread have told you distros by name that do not come with preemptive kernel by default. And then you start telling me I am spreading FUD... I am not spreading FUD, I am telling you the problem with Linux on Audio.

Now you expect a normal user to be hunting a distro, or compiling the code themselves. If you really believe that's the strategy for taking control of the desktop... Keep dreaming. Linux is not cool if you can do your work with it or if you have to become a computer geek to make it work, because there are other computers that just work.

What most audio people use? Mac OS X, and some Windows.

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RE[8]: *sigh*
by lemur2 on Wed 20th May 2009 05:50 in reply to "RE[7]: *sigh*"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Get real. You were telling Linux is wonderful for audio, I told you what the problem with audio was. You said it is fixed. No it is not fixed. Other people in the thread have told you distros by name that do not come with preemptive kernel by default. And then you start telling me I am spreading FUD... I am not spreading FUD, I am telling you the problem with Linux on Audio.

Now you expect a normal user to be hunting a distro, or compiling the code themselves. If you really believe that's the strategy for taking control of the desktop... Keep dreaming. Linux is not cool if you can do your work with it or if you have to become a computer geek to make it work, because there are other computers that just work.

What most audio people use? Mac OS X, and some Windows.


Sigh!

Once again, yes it is fixed, and it has been so for many years.

"apt-get install ...." is not compiling anything. It is just installing a piece of software. In this case, that software is the real-time low-latency version of the kernel.

Here is an example for you: on Windows, if you want a gaming rig, then apart from the base OS install you are going to have to install directx from Microsoft and a better video driver from the manufacturer. You need to do this because the one OS cannot by default be all things to all users, and so full gaming support is not the default.

Likewise, on Linux, if you are going to be doing professional audio, you need to install the pre-emptive real-time version of the kernel, because your requirements are a bit specialised.

The kernel version you need is already compiled for you, it is waiting in the distributions repositories (just like directx is waiting for you, already compiled, on Microsoft's website), but it is not the default (just as directX is not the default on Windows).

Edited 2009-05-20 05:59 UTC

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RE[8]: *sigh*
by transom on Wed 20th May 2009 13:16 in reply to "RE[7]: *sigh*"
transom Member since:
2009-03-02

Gawd what an arrogant gasbag.

As an actual musician, I find posturing asshats like you vastly amusing.

Cut'n'pasting loops in one of your Fisher Price "wave editors" does not make you either an engineer or a musician.

Can you tune a piano? How about a drum kit? Know anything about microphones? How about arranging? Can you read music?

If the "heart" of your "professional" studio is a Windows box with Pro Tools or whatever other glorified video games you're so thrilled with on it, then it isn't a professional studio.

Is your precious "DAW" the only computer in your studio?

Here is a 6 year old article wherein an actual studio switches many of their machines to Linux
http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT5847717353.html

And here is another actual studio who switched to Linux 6 years ago
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb04/articles/mirrorimage.htm

What is the name of your "professional" studio? What artists have you recorded? What? You're talking out of your ass?

I suppose *price* isn't a concern for a wildly successful "professional" like yourself. Otherwise, you might be trying to figure out how to reduce costs such as software licenses, etc. Then again, with a major talent like you must be, I am sure that your clients don't mind paying top dollar.

*whistle*

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RE[8]: *sigh*
by levi on Wed 20th May 2009 23:51 in reply to "RE[7]: *sigh*"
levi Member since:
2006-09-07


You are completely out of the discussion. The main reason and the main problem with Linux is that it is its heavily fragmented user base. Everyone is pulling its own way.


Why it is a problem ? Because you have to do some work yourself ? Either you do (in this case search and learn) or you pay as simple as that. Final result may be comparable.


Do you honestly believe that a normal user who just want to edit audio is gonna start asking: Which distro has preemptive kernel? Where is my C ompiler to make the stuff work? There are no good audio apps I am gonna make my own!


Who is a normal user, really ? Is he real or you just imagined him, or worse, calculated him on averages ?

There are just people around; each one with different goals in mind and different pocket depth.


Get real. You were telling Linux is wonderful for audio, I told you what the problem with audio was. You said it is fixed. No it is not fixed. Other people in the thread have told you distros by name that do not come with preemptive kernel by default. And then you start telling me I am spreading FUD... I am not spreading FUD, I am telling you the problem with Linux on Audio.


How about the right tool for the right job (within price limit you can afford) ? Linux is not wonderful - it's just another OS - another tool.


Now you expect a normal user to be hunting a distro, or compiling the code themselves. If you really believe that's the strategy for taking control of the desktop... Keep dreaming. Linux is not cool if you can do your work with it or if you have to become a computer geek to make it work, because there are other computers that just work.

What most audio people use? Mac OS X, and some Windows.


You mean normal user as a hobbyst, a rich-professional, not-so-rich-pro, a rich-hobbyst, and maybe a hobbyst-thief ?

Just think for a second who will be reaching for open source. Doesn't he deserve to be called normal user too ?

Bottom line is that (believe it or not) people are different and there is no spoon eee... normal user.

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