Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 18th May 2009 22:42 UTC
Mozilla & Gecko clones Tabbed browsing is pretty much the norm by now, with even someone like me (who disliked it vehemently for a long time) finally giving in and start using tabbed browsing (thanks to Chrome, by the way). Well, apparently, Mozilla thinks its time to move on. They believe tabbed browsing has become obsolete, and are asking users to come up with a better alternative.
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RE[7]: Comment by ichi
by Dave_K on Tue 19th May 2009 23:10 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by ichi"
Dave_K
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2005-11-16

Well, I talked about virtual desktops to arrange sets of web pages (wouldn't fit a browser but something like that, if you use virtual desktops you know what I mean) and an expose-like method to keep stuff easily at hand.


I can see your point about an expose like feature. Although to me being able to search open tabs seems like a more efficient way of finding a specific page. Page thumbnails often look alike when they're primarily text, or are multiple similar pages from one site. Hard to see how any graphical representation like Expose would work too well when dealing with a large number of tabs.

As for a virtual desktop like way of arranging windows, isn't that what MDI offers to a certain extent?

You have multiple individual web page windows contained within separate browser windows. Is that so different from having individual SDI application windows within separate virtual desktops?

Not being able to roll up windows, drag and resize them from anywhere besides the title bar (thus not allowing to remove the window decoration and get some extra space), work with an active window without automatically getting it raised it to the top... basically everything that makes the Windows UI utterly clunky and awkward (IMO).


Windows window management does suck pretty badly, and it's a shame that Opera's lumbered with its limitations, but it's still far better than not having MDI versatility at all. To me conventional tabbed browsers are crippled in comparison.

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RE[8]: Comment by ichi
by ichi on Wed 20th May 2009 07:59 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by ichi"
ichi Member since:
2007-03-06

As for a virtual desktop like way of arranging windows, isn't that what MDI offers to a certain extent?

You have multiple individual web page windows contained within separate browser windows. Is that so different from having individual SDI application windows within separate virtual desktops?


To a certain extent, yes, but still makes it harder to distribute pages between the browser windows or keep track of which window contains which set of web pages.

The point would be keeping all the browsing stuff in a single virtual desktop, else I would need like 10 desktops instead of the 5 I currently use.

If I was to use Opera's MDI I'd rather open every page in a new window and rely on my window manager to switch between them.

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RE[9]: Comment by ichi
by Dave_K on Wed 20th May 2009 11:52 in reply to "RE[8]: Comment by ichi"
Dave_K Member since:
2005-11-16

To a certain extent, yes, but still makes it harder to distribute pages between the browser windows or keep track of which window contains which set of web pages.


I'd argue that with Opera's window management features the opposite is true, at least compared with the virtual desktop software I've used. The Windows Panel lists all the open tabs in all open windows and can be filtered to only show certain sites. Multiple tabs can be selected and dragged to a different browser window as a group. I think it works better than a thumbnail based virtual desktop representation would when dealing with primarily text based web pages.

The point would be keeping all the browsing stuff in a single virtual desktop, else I would need like 10 desktops instead of the 5 I currently use. If I was to use Opera's MDI I'd rather open every page in a new window and rely on my window manager to switch between them.


But then you'd miss out on many of Opera's own window management features. Like being able to cascade and tile pages within the browser window, or the ability to create follower tabs that load any links clicked on another tab, allowing one tab to be used for navigation while its follower displays content.

I think the reason why most browsers use a form of MDI these days (albeit a crippled version where all child windows are maximised) is that window managers generally aren't designed to deal with such a large number of open windows from one application. Spreading them over virtual desktops is one solution, but I don't see really how it's better than Opera's MDI and tab management features.

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