Linked by h3rman on Thu 21st May 2009 11:01 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems Few hardware vendors have not yet launched their own mini laptop (or, "netbook"). Most brands these days produce their own version of the same hardware, with Intel's i386-compatible Atom cpu's and Windows XP installed on a spinning hard drive or sometimes still a solid state disk. Some Linux models are still sold by some vendors, among whom Asus, which more or less started selling in this OLPC-inspired genre of laptops.
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RE[2]: don't hold much hope
by AndrewZ on Fri 22nd May 2009 14:06 UTC in reply to "RE: don't hold much hope"
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I have a lot of respect for the Chinese people, and I do not feel that the American culture has any special key to high tech business innovation. But I do believe that each generation of CPU development takes billions of dollars, and requires tight coordination of highly skilled engineers. Creating new generations of CPU on tight deadlines is very difficult. Even AMD has difficulties doing this. With respect to the Chinese engineers creating the Loonson-2, they will have the same difficulties.

If you have any insight into high tech development in China I would very much like to hear from you. China studies are fascinating and China will have a large role in high tech development and will affect all of our lives.

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RE[3]: don't hold much hope
by h3rman on Fri 22nd May 2009 14:58 in reply to "RE[2]: don't hold much hope"
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There are a number of factors why the pc industry has become so big in the US rather than anywhere else.
The US was simply the number one world power in the time computing technology came up, no other nation ever came close then, including the Soviet Union. It absorbed a lot of intellect from all over the world, as I'm sure most people will see when they hang around in Silicon Valley.
One of the problems China has that prevents it from becoming a similar world power is its economic development model. A simplified explanation, the US used "classical" capitalism to grow - production and consumption go hand in hand.
That was up until about 1971 when the dollar stopped being convertible to gold because of the US' military overstretch which it couldn't afford anymore, so the US decided to just live on paper credit from then on. Meanwhile the bankers/Wall Street have taken control of the nation - it's now merely finance capitalism, a perversion of "free market capitalism".

China in contrast grew by consuming very little, producing a lot, working very hard, and exporting most produce in order to earn foreign currency. That currency (i.e, USD) is worth increasingly little, if not nothing at all. So the RMB is bound to rise in value drastically. (This is inevitable, but the question is what the US will do - military threat and action to keep its hegemony, or an acknowlegdment of the fact that times have changed.)

This Chinese purchasing power can draw a lot of brains and knowledge to China, apart from the brains it already has. But a lot depends on the choices made by the Chinese government. For instance whether they will actually stimulate the internal market, at the moment purchasing power of the average citizen is too low because of the very low wages that make US/European imports cheap.

The US will experience some form of a brain drain itself, because the US economy will shrink in the entire coming decade. Purchasing power is dropping, imports are becoming more expensive, local/state taxes go up all over the country, and there's no foreign investment in the US anymore. A lot of knowledge of things as hi-tech as cpu design will move abroad.

Hey, where did that crystal ball go? ;)

No I don't know much about Chinese cpu design but your question makes me want to know more about it too. Intel/AMD's i386 has never been the only architecture and it's not dominant in all corners of the market. It's not impossible to develop a vibrant non-i386 market for pc's, laptops, servers etc. if pure performance is not a short-term goal, and if there's a powerful state behind this development.
Intel or AMD haven't grown without direct and indirect government subsidies either, by the way.

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RE[4]: don't hold much hope
by twitterfire on Fri 22nd May 2009 16:03 in reply to "RE[3]: don't hold much hope"
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American capitalism it's a sick capitalism. It's just about big banks gaining monopoly and big corporations taking everything. It's all about consumption, consumption being backed by the credits offered by the big banks.

The big banks who lead FED weren't hit by the financial crisis. They are smuggling profits from the actual crisis. It does not worth to mention that all that big banks and corporations are property of some jews.

Just watch the movies Zeitgeist 1 and 2.

The biggest problem of american currency is - what you said - it's not covered by anything. If and when the OPEC countries will decide to sell the oil in euro instead of usd, the us currency and economy will fall.

If and when the Central Bank of China will decide to change it's economies from usd to euro, the us currency and economy will fall.

The us economy it's just an huge golem with rotten feet.

As for the technology in China, they are far beyond EU and US. They have launched their first manned space mission just about 2-3 years ago. Russia has done the same about 40 years ago.

About the MIPS: I think that MIPS (and power pc) it's a better technology than x86. But x86 has far more computing power than any other chip.

Please, excuse me for my bad english.

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