Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 28th May 2009 14:23 UTC, submitted by hotice
KDE While most people focus on Microsoft Office and OpenOffice.org as being each other's competitors, there's a third player in this market: KOffice. While KOffice is obviously geared towards use on KDE, it's available for Windows, Mac OS X, and GNOME-based distributions as well, making it much more platform-independent than Microsoft's Office suite. Version 2.0.0 was released today, and comes with a whole boatload of improvements.
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RE[2]: good news
by niemau on Thu 28th May 2009 18:34 UTC in reply to "RE: good news"
niemau
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2007-06-28

im a kde user.. i like the logo's, i dont think a logo has to convey that 'thing' yr talking about. pictograms do need.


i think you may have missed my point. i guess what i was trying to convey was that these logos, which will in all likelihood become the icons for the individual applications, do not obviously belong to the apps that they belong to. they are too abstract. if a user had, for example, an icon for each of those apps in his or her dock/panel, it would not be clear what apps they belonged to. the symbols on them are too vague. it would be very easy to (frustratingly) open the wrong app. since KDE 4 has been striving for user-friendliness, this seems to be a step backward.

aesthetically, they are obviously fine and modern. but that isn't enough. it's bad enough for a new user that some of the apps have overly vague names. kexi? krita? karbon? what's the likelihood that a new user is going to bother with the app when they can't easily see what it does without opening it? unfortunately, most people aren't as adventurous as the kinds of people that hang out on osnews.

Edited 2009-05-28 18:37 UTC

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RE[3]: good news
by Narishma on Thu 28th May 2009 18:50 in reply to "RE[2]: good news"
Narishma Member since:
2005-07-06

I think you're confusing logos and icons. They are separate. Those pictures you linked to are the logos. I don't think the developers have any intention to make them the icons of the applications.

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RE[4]: good news
by niemau on Thu 28th May 2009 19:06 in reply to "RE[3]: good news"
niemau Member since:
2007-06-28

I think you're confusing logos and icons. They are separate. Those pictures you linked to are the logos. I don't think the developers have any intention to make them the icons of the applications.


i'm not confusing anything. as a matter of fact, i clearly referred to them as logos.

yet, the logos are very clearly styled like icons. it is fairly clear that those logos could go on to become the default icons for these apps. for branding consistency if nothing else.

they are vague. it's just my opinion.

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RE[3]: good news
by boudewijn on Thu 28th May 2009 18:52 in reply to "RE[2]: good news"
boudewijn Member since:
2006-03-05

Er, no. The logo's (designed by a professional artist, paid by nlnet, btw) are meant to be application logo's. The application icons are themable -- oxygen, tango, whatever.

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RE[3]: good news
by boudewijn on Thu 28th May 2009 20:59 in reply to "RE[2]: good news"
boudewijn Member since:
2006-03-05

"it's bad enough for a new user that some of the apps have overly vague names. kexi? krita? karbon?"

Well, you know, all the good names are already taken. MyPaint, YouPaint, TheyPaint, ItPaint, WePaint...

Krita used to be called KImageShop -- guess what? We were sued. Not too surprising really. KImageShop was renamed to Krayon. You know what? We were sued. By Freiherr-let's-pose-as-a-poor-teenage-girl-to-catch-c64-tape-pirates- von Gravenreuth on behalf of a website that peddled e-cards and was called Crayon. Kandinsky was mooted for a new name. There's already an Atari ST graphics application of that name. Krita means "to draw" or "chalk" in Swedish, so it's at least somewhat on topic. And we're getting quite a good name recognition, plus, google alerts on "krita" generally are about krita. When they are not about an American nurse for the elderly of Indonesian extraction, that is.

And, frankly, the name PhotoShop doesn't really convey much to me about what the application does, nor does a name like Excel or Oracle help a lot.

I think you attach too much value to the descriptiveness of application names. Uniqueness is much more important, as is pronunciability or memorability. Krita, Kexi and Karbon do pretty good in those respects.

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RE[4]: good news
by niemau on Thu 28th May 2009 21:21 in reply to "RE[3]: good news"
niemau Member since:
2007-06-28

don't take it personally. i wasn't trying to belittle those names by any means. it's more of a 'seeing the bigger picture' sort of thing. i just meant, since the names aren't particularly descriptive, it *could* help if the associated logos and/or icons would convey a little more info.

And, frankly, the name PhotoShop doesn't really convey much to me about what the application does, nor does a name like Excel or Oracle help a lot. I think you attach too much value to the descriptiveness of application names.


well, i've gotta disagree and say, 'PhotoShop' is pretty descriptive. but, i do agree with 'Excel'. luckily for MS, that particular app has a reputation that precedes it. and, to reiterate, it's not the descriptiveness of the name that is my main concern. (and concern is sort of a strong word... more of an observation.) basically, you can have a descriptive name or a descriptive logo/icon. without prior knowledge of an application, a new user probably won't bother.

but for what it's worth, i just found these:

http://pinheiro-kde.blogspot.com/2009/03/koffice-icons-2-highdef-on...

and they're pretty fantastic. the blog post says that these are 'application icons' but i am assuming they are actually mimetype icons maybe?

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RE[4]: good news
by kaiwai on Fri 29th May 2009 06:09 in reply to "RE[3]: good news"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

"it's bad enough for a new user that some of the apps have overly vague names. kexi? krita? karbon?"

Well, you know, all the good names are already taken. MyPaint, YouPaint, TheyPaint, ItPaint, WePaint...


How about this; "KDE Office Spreadsheet", "KDE Office Wordprocessor", "KDE Office Collaboration Suite". Sure, it isn't sexy but at least the end user would have the vaguest clue as to the purpose of the application.

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