Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 28th May 2009 19:17 UTC
OSNews, Generic OSes Ask OSNews is apparently quite popular among you guys; the questions just keep on coming in. Since David took on the first two, we decided to let me handle this one - it's an area I've personally covered before on OSNews: file system layouts. One of our readers, a Linux veteran, studied the GoboLinux effort to introduce a new filesystem layout, and wondered: "Why not adopt the more sensible file system from GoboLinux as the new LSB standard?"
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Jokes
by shevegen on Fri 29th May 2009 11:24 UTC
shevegen
Member since:
2008-04-04

The FHS is a joke.

Sabayon has had /usr/kde4 and /usr/kde3 as part of "transitioning" to KDE 4.

This was a clear violation of the FHS, and if Sabayon can use versioned directories already then I wonder why Gobo can not developed the concept further.

However, the FHS is like the holy grail. No distribution really *wants* to change from it, they aren't even truly compatible to it (see Sabayon), plus the FHS changes over time as well (in the past we had /usr/X11R6 as an exemption from their stupid rules, but this was now changed).


Still, someone explain to me why the Sabayon way is fine, but the Gobolinux way was bad bad bad.

PS: And on Gobolinux "cd /usr" just works exactly like on any other distribution. So what is the point?

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RE: Jokes
by AdamW on Fri 29th May 2009 15:23 in reply to "Jokes"
AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

Er. You seem to be under the impression that there's some kind of FHS Police going around enforcing the rules haphazardly.

There isn't.

Yes, Sabayon broke the FHS. So anyone who relies on it probably wouldn't choose Sabayon as their distro. I'd consider that a bug, and if I were a Sabayon user or developer I'd have complained about it. But I'm not.

There's no 'enforcement mechanism' for the FHS, distros just stick to it in general because they know it has a significant overall benefit (so people know where the hell to find stuff). There's no FHS Police.

And, wow, a standard that changes over time? It must be no good! Everyone revert to HTML 1.0 immediately!

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RE: Jokes
by fossil on Sat 30th May 2009 14:16 in reply to "Jokes"
fossil Member since:
2009-05-29

I don't remember anyone above saying GoboLinux (or its filesystem) is bad, much less "bad, bad, bad." One doubts that many people care.

More problematic is that while there were 5 Gobo releases between late 2002 and 2004, there have been only 3 since, the latest being on 3 March 2009. At the moment, it has the dubious distinction of having older packages (e.g. Firefox, OpenOffice) than Debian Lenny (what I am using to post) or Slackware! ;-) You seem to be a Gobo supporter, what's the deal?

More to the point, if "new and improved" filesystems like that of GoboLinux or Thom's proposal are so superior as to be compelling, why has there been no flood of imitators or joiners? People will adopt something with a demonstrable benefit, or simply a perceived benefit--whether it is real or not. It is not like Linux developers and users are reactionary conservatives.

Perhaps the Gobo or a similar system is a genius-level advance that should be adopted by everyone. However, it is not the responsibility of ordinary folks like myself to be geniuses, it is the responsibility of genius to explain and demonstrate its inventions in a way that make the tangible benefits clear to the rest of us.

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RE[2]: Jokes
by flynn on Sat 30th May 2009 17:47 in reply to "RE: Jokes"
flynn Member since:
2009-03-19

More problematic is that while there were 5 Gobo releases between late 2002 and 2004, there have been only 3 since, the latest being on 3 March 2009. At the moment, it has the dubious distinction of having older packages (e.g. Firefox, OpenOffice) than Debian Lenny (what I am using to post) or Slackware! ;-) You seem to be a Gobo supporter, what's the deal?


Rolling release distros tend to have fewer releases.

And while their binary package collection is lagging behind, the primary update method is source based. They have compilation scripts for firefox 3.0.10 and OO.org 3.0.1 in the Recipe database.

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