Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 28th May 2009 14:23 UTC, submitted by hotice
KDE While most people focus on Microsoft Office and OpenOffice.org as being each other's competitors, there's a third player in this market: KOffice. While KOffice is obviously geared towards use on KDE, it's available for Windows, Mac OS X, and GNOME-based distributions as well, making it much more platform-independent than Microsoft's Office suite. Version 2.0.0 was released today, and comes with a whole boatload of improvements.
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boudewijn
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2006-03-05

I know that both the kde-windows as well as the kde-mac people are investigating things like CPack to make standalone installers for those platforms of KDE software. But it is a hard problem that isn't solved yet. In fact, I don't think KOffice 2.0 has been packaged for Windows at all, although I have seen Patrick Spendrin make commits towards that goal.

But the kind of conceited hyperbole bornagainpenguin spews does a great injustice to the really great and hard work the kde-windows people have done. There are very few of them and they are doing great and pioneering work. Is the result perfect already? No. Can bornagainpenguin do any better? Unless he proves it, I'll assume he is incapable of doing that. Just as he is incapable of reading the KOffice 2.0 release announcement and understanding the target audience of this platform release.

And anyone who has ever had to package Windows software using an installer, whether bitrock, nsis or msi, knows that that is not an easy thing. Completely apart from the crt-problem, there are so many vagaries associated with making an installer that for larger software projects it's a full-time effort in itself.

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bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

boudewijn sneered...

[T]he kind of conceited hyperbole bornagainpenguin spews does a great injustice to the really great and hard work the kde-windows people have done. There are very few of them and they are doing great and pioneering work.


And mostly what they have are toys. I remember the hype around cygwin, and how it went exactly nowhere over the years despite the excitement generated. I personally have always thought it was at least in part due to the complicated installation procedure people lost interest. Now when I see these same types of errors repeating with another interesting project...what should I do? Bury my head in the sand and pretend everything is great?

boudewijn sneered...
Is the result perfect already? No. Can bornagainpenguin do any better? Unless he proves it, I'll assume he is incapable of doing that. Just as he is incapable of reading the KOffice 2.0 release announcement and understanding the target audience of this platform release.


ad hominem much?

boudewijn sneered...
And anyone who has ever had to package Windows software using an installer, whether bitrock, nsis or msi, knows that that is not an easy thing. Completely apart from the crt-problem, there are so many vagaries associated with making an installer that for larger software projects it's a full-time effort in itself.


I'm not saying it would be easy, I'm just saying it is worthwhile. Certainly better than implementing yet another package-manager for Windows that will simply get re-invented the next time someone else comes up with the bright idea to shoe-horn Unix methods into a Windows system. Unless we were talking about something used all throughout the system it is useless to create yet another package-manager that the average Windows user won't use any way.

The application works, is supposedly available for the platform, so why not just get it on that platform with as few hoops as possible?

--bornagainpenguin

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smitty Member since:
2005-10-13

bornagainpenguin, I'm pretty sure Windows is not an officially supported platform for KOffice. At best, it's in the alpha/beta stage. So it seems a little odd that you've spent so many posts complaining about how it doesn't have a very good windows installer. I mean, there is a lot of stuff in KOffice2 that's only half finished, so it's a little curious that you've picked that to harp on.

Accept that you're doing something that isn't a focus of the project yet, and live with it. Or better yet, try to fix it if you can.

I don't think anyone here has disagreed with you that the existing system needs to be improved, but your style here is coming off as a big rant rather than a useful suggestion.

Edited 2009-05-31 04:17 UTC

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