Linked by Kroc Camen on Thu 4th Jun 2009 22:34 UTC
Opera Software Opera have announced the release of Opera 10 beta. New engine, new features, but I'm more concerned about where Opera 10 fits into Opera's history, and certainly their future. Opera have never made any massive strides in marketshare and is Opera 10 really going to change any of that? Read More to find out.
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..still hating on poor opera?
by mtzmtulivu on Fri 5th Jun 2009 01:19 UTC
mtzmtulivu
Member since:
2006-11-14

i personally use firefox on linux. I read that opera 10 beta is out, downloaded it, fumble around for couple of minutes to set the GUI the way i like it(adding couple of GUI manipulating extensions in firefox) ..played around with it for around half an hour and close it ..so i am no opera fanboy but ..

osnews just lost my credibility as far as opera is concerned. I dont understand why two articles will spend so much time on something that can easily be changed. If a user has issues with how the default look like, the user can easily change it to something else.

if you guys feel this strongly about the opera looks, why not help out in developing a skin that agrees with your personal taste? ..i dont use this browser but i am sure they have public means to send and host user generated themes.

how many people use firefox without tweaking anything in it?

if you guys want to review skins you dont like or put an emphasis on the particular aspect of a program, add that info on the title so that the rest of us who are interested on other aspects can skip the review

"opera 10 beta default GUI review" would have been a more appropriate title

Reply Score: 10

iliks Member since:
2008-07-08

Indeed, the title "opera 10 beta default GUI review" summarizes this 'review' pretty well.

Another stream of adolescent maximalism.

Such people buy iPods, iPhones, Macs etc all that shit. They're just looking for colours!

They don't care to open a help page and read about features that are unique to Opera and are very useful in browsing.

Reply Parent Score: 6

Kabal Member since:
2005-07-09

Such people buy iPods, iPhones, Macs etc all that shit. They're just looking for colours!

They don't care to open a help page and read about features that are unique to Opera and are very useful in browsing.


What if I have an iPod, an iPhone, an alu macbook AND I use Opera!??! Your disliking of Apple products is just as ridiculous as this guys disliking of Opera IMO ;)

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Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

What I am hinting at is that there seems to be no UI evangelism going on at Opera. 'good-enough' has been their course for too long. Why, when I have a choice of many browsers, should I force myself to stick with Opera when I can get better UI elsewhere—and I’m not just talking whatever ‘skin’ is applied because I know you can download thousands. The options dialogue in Opera is a mess. The whole way the program operates (the parts you can’t customise) is just annoying and poorly designed. The _feel_ of the app is all wrong to me.

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MrKane Member since:
2009-06-05

Why, when I have a choice of many browsers, should I force myself to stick with Opera when I can get better UI elsewhere


Well maybe because there is more to a browser than GUI and that is where this article fails badly.

Maybe if you had tried using the features of the browser you might have opened up your mind slightly. Just the feature of synchronizing the bookmarks between my Opera on the mobile and all the desktops I use (Mac, Win and Linux).... The easy scaling of pages and very efficient usage of TAB's is other points I really appreciate.

But if the only thing that matters is that it should look like it was made by Apple....

This "review" is well below of what I have come to expect of OSnews.

Reply Parent Score: 4

Liquidator Member since:
2007-03-04

'good-enough' has been their course for too long


This clearly shows your lack of research and information about the development team. Take a look at the mailing lists to see if they like what is "good enough"...

when I can get better UI elsewhere


I wonder in what browser you can see a better browser (except the Aero stuff that's missing in Opera).

The options dialogue in Opera is a mess


Complete nonsense. It's well organized, like in any other browser: http://www.spedforms.com/guide/images/opera-preferences.gif

Reply Parent Score: 2

kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

The review should be based on the default look; if the default look is crap, then quite frankly, it doesn't matter how much you protest as to the virtues of customisation, they're crap defaults. Opera should go back and ask themselves whether their defaults take into account the requirements of the vast majority of end users.

When I install something, I expect it to work out of the box with sane defaults; I don't expect to have to for the next half hour having to fumble around in settings trying to get the damn thing working at least in some sort of logical manner.

I've just had a look at Opera 10 on my Mac, and it is a big leap forward over the 9.x series (which was when the last time I tried), however, I am going to reserve judgement as to what 10 will turn out. If it keeps on the right path it might be the first version of Opera that I am interested in using full time.

Edited 2009-06-05 07:33 UTC

Reply Parent Score: 6

mtzmtulivu Member since:
2006-11-14

The review should be based on the default look; if the default look is crap, then quite frankly, it doesn't matter how much you protest as to the virtues of customisation, they're crap defaults. Opera should go back and ask themselves whether their defaults take into account the requirements of the vast majority of end users.

When I install something, I expect it to work out of the box with sane defaults; I don't expect to have to for the next half hour having to fumble around in settings trying to get the damn thing working at least in some sort of logical manner.

so basically, you expected a cross platform program to have the GUI and default behavior from your favorite OS guidelines?

if the GUI is a "total fail" on a mac, how about on windows xp? windows vista/7? linux in a kde session? linux in a gnome/gtk session?

and majority of end users of opera are on ...mac?

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