Linked by Kroc Camen on Thu 4th Jun 2009 22:34 UTC
Opera Software Opera have announced the release of Opera 10 beta. New engine, new features, but I'm more concerned about where Opera 10 fits into Opera's history, and certainly their future. Opera have never made any massive strides in marketshare and is Opera 10 really going to change any of that? Read More to find out.
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RE: ..still hating on poor opera?
by kaiwai on Fri 5th Jun 2009 07:31 UTC in reply to "..still hating on poor opera?"
kaiwai
Member since:
2005-07-06

The review should be based on the default look; if the default look is crap, then quite frankly, it doesn't matter how much you protest as to the virtues of customisation, they're crap defaults. Opera should go back and ask themselves whether their defaults take into account the requirements of the vast majority of end users.

When I install something, I expect it to work out of the box with sane defaults; I don't expect to have to for the next half hour having to fumble around in settings trying to get the damn thing working at least in some sort of logical manner.

I've just had a look at Opera 10 on my Mac, and it is a big leap forward over the 9.x series (which was when the last time I tried), however, I am going to reserve judgement as to what 10 will turn out. If it keeps on the right path it might be the first version of Opera that I am interested in using full time.

Edited 2009-06-05 07:33 UTC

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mtzmtulivu Member since:
2006-11-14

The review should be based on the default look; if the default look is crap, then quite frankly, it doesn't matter how much you protest as to the virtues of customisation, they're crap defaults. Opera should go back and ask themselves whether their defaults take into account the requirements of the vast majority of end users.

When I install something, I expect it to work out of the box with sane defaults; I don't expect to have to for the next half hour having to fumble around in settings trying to get the damn thing working at least in some sort of logical manner.

so basically, you expected a cross platform program to have the GUI and default behavior from your favorite OS guidelines?

if the GUI is a "total fail" on a mac, how about on windows xp? windows vista/7? linux in a kde session? linux in a gnome/gtk session?

and majority of end users of opera are on ...mac?

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kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

so basically, you expected a cross platform program to have the GUI and default behavior from your favorite OS guidelines?


I never said anything of the sort. I stated that it should have sane defaults - I never claimed that it had to follow a particular set of guidelines. I also never said that there was anything wrong with Opera - did you see me mention Opera in the first part? of course not, because it was a generalised statement applicable to all pieces of software and how they are reviewed.

if the GUI is a "total fail" on a mac, how about on windows xp? windows vista/7? linux in a kde session? linux in a gnome/gtk session?

and majority of end users of opera are on ...mac?


Qt is a multiplatform tool kit, nothing has ever stopped Opera from having different front ends using Qt for each platform, taking into account the unique way of doing things. Considering that there is separation between the backend code and the front end - there should be no reason why they can't have multiple front ends based on the same toolkit.

But as I said in the reply to the first paragraph, I am asking for sane defaults; it isn't my fault you made the leap of faith assuming that I wanted something that I never stated I wanted.

Edited 2009-06-05 19:51 UTC

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