Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 5th Jun 2009 22:20 UTC
ReactOS ReactOS, the project to create a Windows NT-compatible operating system, has published another news update with some interesting news items. The legal position of the ReactOS Foundation has been strengthened, and now has a VeriSign certificate that might help other open source projects as well, the new ATA driver is more or less complete, and there's some progress in the area of video drivers.
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Waste of time
by ecruz on Fri 5th Jun 2009 23:45 UTC
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Member since:
2007-06-16

I imagine that these guys from ReactOS are very intelligent.
Why are they wasting their time doing this project? Really, this is not going anywhere. By the time they have a consumer ready version, Windows will be in #15 or whatever name Microsoft finds for it.
Just drop it. It is useless. No one, except a couple dozens hobbiest will ever try it.
Do some work on some meaningful project and use your talents for something that will really make a difference in software engineer and design.

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RE: Waste of time
by obsidian on Sat 6th Jun 2009 00:04 in reply to "Waste of time"
obsidian Member since:
2007-05-12

I beg to differ....

I can see at least three valid reasons for ReactOS to keep going (and this is from a Linux-using and occasional BSD-using weenie... ;) )

a) Playing Windows games. At present, if you want to play those but don't want to buy Windows, the options are Wine (running on Linux/*BSD) or ReactOS. Wine has the inside running at present, but ReactOS can still get to a good-enough state to run games.

b) As a security testbed, to see if it is possible to create a Windows-like OS that can be hardened against worms and viruses. If it were possible to port pf to ReactOS then that would be a good start.

c) (Eventually) - as an XP replacement. Ok, I agree that this is likely to be quite a way down the track (I'd guess at least 18 months to 2 years). However, given the progress that the ReactOS devs have made so far, it's possible.
- obsidian

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RE[2]: Waste of time
by Quake on Sat 6th Jun 2009 20:18 in reply to "RE: Waste of time"
Quake Member since:
2005-10-14

I beg to differ....

I can see at least three valid reasons for ReactOS to keep going (and this is from a Linux-using and occasional BSD-using weenie... ;) )

a) Playing Windows games. At present, if you want to play those but don't want to buy Windows, the options are Wine (running on Linux/*BSD) or ReactOS. Wine has the inside running at present, but ReactOS can still get to a good-enough state to run games.
- obsidian


Yup, Linux is currently my default OS, which means Windows XP is my gaming OS. If ReactOS could run games in the future, I might use it.

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RE: Waste of time
by pandronic on Sat 6th Jun 2009 05:29 in reply to "Waste of time"
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2006-05-18

I, for one, would like very much a Windows compatible OS that I don't have to pay money for. Windows XP will still be relevant 5 years from now, and I think the React OS team will produce something stable in this time frame.

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RE: Waste of time
by Gone fishing on Sat 6th Jun 2009 05:41 in reply to "Waste of time"
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2006-02-22

I beg to differ too.

Linux with Reactos in Vmware or Virtualbox so you can run Windows stuff looks like a very promising option.

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RE: Waste of time
by Marcin on Sat 6th Jun 2009 06:18 in reply to "Waste of time"
Marcin Member since:
2007-06-06

Why are they wasting their time doing this project?
It easy: because they can! They want to do this, they have time to this, they have skills and most importantly, if they succeed to make something that works well, it will become a big news! I cannot wait this day.

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RE: Waste of time
by Liquidator on Sat 6th Jun 2009 07:52 in reply to "Waste of time"
Liquidator Member since:
2007-03-04

Ridiculous comment. Of course it is a useful project. It *does* take time, but it's a project that many people will use in a few years, because it's a clone of the *most popular* operating system around. What I suggest is take a few Linux developers, have them learn about Win32 and give the Reactos team a hand until it reaches the stable version, then resume work on Linux (if still interested). Now, *that* would be useful, and many more people would benefit from the collaboration and could use a Windows replacement that works for them.

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RE[2]: Waste of time
by Isolationist on Sat 6th Jun 2009 10:12 in reply to "RE: Waste of time"
Isolationist Member since:
2006-05-28

What I suggest is take a few Linux developers, have them learn about Win32 and give the Reactos team a hand until it reaches the stable version, then resume work on Linux (if still interested)


I don't understand the relationship between Linux and Reactos here, why not suggest BSD developers down tools and work on Reactos?

I personally don't use Windows and have no requirement for a Windows clone, so your suggestion seems utter madness to me.

Oh now wait a minute, your were joking in your post right?

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RE[2]: Waste of time
by tobyv on Mon 8th Jun 2009 01:05 in reply to "RE: Waste of time"
tobyv Member since:
2008-08-25

..take a few Linux developers, have them learn about Win32..


i too have taken a few linux developers and put them to work, chopping trees and mining gold.

i will send them to finish ReactOS, maybe later

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RE: Waste of time [skeptic]
by dimosd on Sat 6th Jun 2009 09:16 in reply to "Waste of time"
dimosd Member since:
2006-02-10

I imagine that these guys from ReactOS are very intelligent.
Why are they wasting their time doing this project? Really, this is not going anywhere.


I imagine you will be flamed to death for this comment...

Here's a healthy dose of skepticism:

1) Wine has been in development for 16 years. It is useful. It works, but not very well. How much better can we expect ReactOS (which shares a lot of code with Wine anyway) to do? Can ReactOS work better than Linux + Wine? Is kernel compatibility (vs API) the real issue?

2) In my experience, projects either come up with something you can "almost" use within 1-2 years or they never do. Examples: Linux (went from 0.01 to v1.0 within a couple of years), FreeDOS. Contra-examples: Hurd, SkyOS, Haiku etc.

3) ReactOS has been in development for 11 years.

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RE[2]: Waste of time [skeptic]
by Vanders on Sat 6th Jun 2009 09:48 in reply to "RE: Waste of time [skeptic]"
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2005-07-06

In my experience, projects either come up with something you can "almost" use within 1-2 years or they never do. Examples: Linux (went from 0.01 to v1.0 within a couple of years), FreeDOS. Contra-examples: Hurd, SkyOS, Haiku etc.


How do you know Haiku will never release a working, usable version 1.0?

The reason operating systems take a long time to reach 1.0 is because operating system development is not magic.

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RE: Waste of time
by gedmurphy on Sat 6th Jun 2009 09:34 in reply to "Waste of time"
gedmurphy Member since:
2005-12-23

The NT design is very strong and the fundementals haven't changed since the days of cutler.

Unless Microsoft drop the NT architecture, then reactos will always be relevant.

The inner workings of Windows 7 aren't all that different from windows XP. Once reactos has a stable base the extra work to get Vista/win7 only software to work will include adding any new API's (some of which reactos already supports) and adding support for the new driver model.

So, the moving target reactos is chasing isn't moving quite as fast as people believe.

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RE[2]: Waste of time
by dagw on Sat 6th Jun 2009 18:13 in reply to "RE: Waste of time"
dagw Member since:
2005-07-06

Unless Microsoft drop the NT architecture, then reactos will always be relevant.

On the contrary, Microsoft dropping NT would make ReactOS more relevant than ever. There will be vital code written for NT running for decades to come. Once ReactOS becomes the only windows 2000/XP compatible OS with drivers for the latest hardware and with regular updates it will take off in a massive way.

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RE[2]: Waste of time
by kaiwai on Sat 6th Jun 2009 21:00 in reply to "RE: Waste of time"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

The NT design is very strong and the fundementals haven't changed since the days of cutler.


Fundamentals haven't change - you need to look at where they verred off course in 4.0 for the sake of speed as a prime example of what happens when management start to get involved with things they know nothing about or make decisions that are dogmatically driven based on 'market research' rather than the right course of action based on a long term perspective.

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RE: Waste of time
by WyldStylist on Sun 7th Jun 2009 06:31 in reply to "Waste of time"
WyldStylist Member since:
2006-12-30

Maybe they do it because they like the idea of having windows drivers installed instead of sitting in linux forums asking all day .
Furthermore i like to add that Linux would kick ass if some cool asm-hacker would remake the mlinux kernel so that it ran all kinds of windows inf/dll drivers and strenghten directx support.
But until that eggheads realize that we'll keep run games on windows or torture ourselves in winex and give linux shit about how some of our hardware don't work.

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So NOT a waste of time
by RavinRay on Mon 8th Jun 2009 07:06 in reply to "Waste of time"
RavinRay Member since:
2005-11-26

Just drop it. It is useless. No one, except a couple dozens hobbiest will ever try it. Do some work on some meaningful project and use your talents for something that will really make a difference in software engineer and design.

I imagine it would be useful in a developing country like mine where the vast majority who want to use computers cannot afford even the cheapest Windows license but would like to use Win32 applications. I for one have tried an older beta and will try the latest beta again along with some applcations to see if I can deploy it on retired PCs here.

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