Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 8th Jun 2009 18:02 UTC
Apple At the WWDC today, Apple has lifted the veil on a number of features of its upcoming operating system, Snow Leopard. Most of the work on Snow Leopard has gone into under-the-hood technologies and optimisations, but there are also a number of interface tweaks. The company also updated some of its laptops, while also lowering their prices. We got all the news from MacRumorsLive.com.
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NathanHill
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2006-10-06


The latter are service pack level adjustments. Not $29 changes. See service pack/firefox points above.


Whoa there. OpenCL as service pack level adjustment? Grand Central? Those are the kinds of things that really are grappling with where computer technology is moving. They aren't just an extra layer or piece of software. They are built in to the core along with 64-bit everything and completely rebuilt Cocoa Finder and other things. That's way bigger than silly bug fixes from a service pack.

The good thing is that Leopard is going to be running along great for PowerPC users and others who may not upgrade for years to come. Contrast that with how Microsoft is trying to put together a winner (Windows 7) after a loser (Vista). Apple is building an even stronger winner (Snow Leopard) based on a proven winner (Leopard). I wonder what would have happened if Microsoft had just developed a stronger XP in the first place.

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rhetoric.sendmemoney Member since:
2006-01-22

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The latter are service pack level adjustments. Not $29 changes. See service pack/firefox points above.


Whoa there. OpenCL as service pack level adjustment? Grand Central? Those are the kinds of things that really are grappling with where computer technology is moving. They aren't just an extra layer or piece of software. They are built in to the core along with 64-bit everything and completely rebuilt Cocoa Finder and other things. That's way bigger than silly bug fixes from a service pack.

The good thing is that Leopard is going to be running along great for PowerPC users and others who may not upgrade for years to come. Contrast that with how Microsoft is trying to put together a winner (Windows 7) after a loser (Vista). Apple is building an even stronger winner (Snow Leopard) based on a proven winner (Leopard). I wonder what would have happened if Microsoft had just developed a stronger XP in the first place.
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Careful, I was solely using Windows service packs as an example. Lets not get derailed by that wreck. I don't think it is a better solution than OSX at all. Nor is Linux. This is about Apple "not enough profit margin for a reasonably priced notebook" trying to pass a service pack off with a $29 dollar fee. A Microsoft failure has nothing to do with this.

Those changes do not present a value NOW. When the "future" features come out using them they will. RIGHT NOW they do not provide a value added benefit to the home user. Therefore they are not worth $29 to the home user. The speed gains/interface tweaks (which are not very expansive) are service pack level changes... Microsoft upgrades DirectX/Windows Search and many other similar techs in their SPs. This is hardly different.

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NathanHill Member since:
2006-10-06


Careful, I was solely using Windows service packs as an example. Lets not get derailed by that wreck. I don't think it is a better solution than OSX at all. Nor is Linux. This is about Apple "not enough profit margin for a reasonably priced notebook" trying to pass a service pack off with a $29 dollar fee. A Microsoft failure has nothing to do with this.

Those changes do not present a value NOW. When the "future" features come out using them they will. RIGHT NOW they do not provide a value added benefit to the home user. Therefore they are not worth $29 to the home user. The speed gains/interface tweaks (which are not very expansive) are service pack level changes... Microsoft upgrades DirectX/Windows Search and many other similar techs in their SPs. This is hardly different.


I think we just disagree then. I see this as huge possible improvements in functionality and end user delight. I am an end user, and I think Snow Leopard looks great, especially because of the little things that it will do better.

Apple has resisted doing 32-bit and 64-bit lines of their OS like most others (Linux and Windows). One could look at Snow Leopard as the introduction of their 64-bit OS with other advancements. So these are not service pack level changes - since when in Windows can you upgrade from 32-bit OS to 64-bit OS with some service packs? You can't do that in Linux either. Your logic is flawed, bro.

Snow Leopard is a whole new mutation of Leopard. I'm really happy with Leopard at home on my Powermac G4, but I am even more excited to purchase a new Mac in September now.

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FealDorf Member since:
2008-01-07

You don't get it. End-users don't *care* about these new APIs; and developers need their users to have these API's. It's kinda like a chicken-egg story... Let's see how quickly users will adopt it. If you ask me; it needs a few killer-apps..

Vista was also, in a sense, a developmental upgrade -- it featured hardware-accelerated WPF, DX10, a new audio stack, a new printing system, the list goes on..
BUT it wasn't an incremental upgrade. Instead it was an unoptimized and unfinished OS which is why it failed to get a comparatively sufficient market. It's nowhere a failure like Windows ME (and Vista's still more PCs than mac). That's my take anyway..

>>I wonder what would have happened if Microsoft had just developed a stronger XP in the first place.<<
Everyone's saying Win7 is faster than XP. Why would they? If you ask me; XP is way too refined to get any gain.. Not to mention that Win7 has unanimously positive reception. It doesn't matter if it's a loser followed by a winner; people see it as the next iteration from XP. Secretly, so does MS..

IMO Win7 and Snow Leopard are quite alike -- "commercial service packs". The difference is that you have to pay the premium for one of them.
Win7 is Vista + UI and polish
Snow Leopard is Leopard + APIs and tidbits

I have a Mac-Mini with Leopard; and I'm not opting for the upgrade. Don't get me wrong; I love my Mac but I use windows as well. Arguing that Snow Leopard's worth looking for a technological upgrade would work just as well for Vista SP1..

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rhetoric.sendmemoney Member since:
2006-01-22

You don't get it. End-users don't *care* about these new APIs; and developers need their users to have these API's. It's kinda like a chicken-egg story... Let's see how quickly users will adopt it. If you ask me; it needs a few killer-apps..

Vista was also, in a sense, a developmental upgrade -- it featured hardware-accelerated WPF, DX10, a new audio stack, a new printing system, the list goes on..
BUT it wasn't an incremental upgrade. Instead it was an unoptimized and unfinished OS which is why it failed to get a comparatively sufficient market. It's nowhere a failure like Windows ME (and Vista's still more PCs than mac). That's my take anyway..


That's pretty much exactly what I am saying.

Now, if these API's are needed for app development then the home user should not have to pay for them. When will these killer apps come out anyways? Will they be widely user by the next OSX version? When I get a new game in the Windows world, I just upgrade DX for FREE. Why should I have to pay YEARLY to run the latest apps? I would bet a lot of developers won't shove this down peoples throats until AT LEAST the next OSX update.

Forced APIs are not value added by themselves.

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bousozoku Member since:
2006-01-23


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Vista was also, in a sense, a developmental upgrade -- it featured hardware-accelerated WPF, DX10, a new audio stack, a new printing system, the list goes on..
BUT it wasn't an incremental upgrade. Instead it was an unoptimized and unfinished OS which is why it failed to get a comparatively sufficient market. It's nowhere a failure like Windows ME (and Vista's still more PCs than mac). That's my take anyway..
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Leopard might as well be a developmental upgrade and Snow Leopard the finished product. The upgrade price is higher than it should be but not unexpected, considering that they're charge US$9.99 for an iPod touch upgrade.

I'd certainly be happy to pay US$29.99 for a upgrade that made Leopard work properly. I can't use it and I'll get the free updates but the current Apple is leaving a bitter taste in my mouth.

It's like an owner of a company used to say "Our customers don't want that." meaning that they didn't want to pay for upgrades where they couldn't see changes in functionality. Of course, they way Apple fanatics gush over Exposé, I'm sure plenty will pay for a merging of Exposé and the Dock.

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