Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 9th Jun 2009 09:34 UTC
Fedora Core Today, Fedora 11 will be unleashed upon the web. The release has been postponed for a few days, but this time it's for real. It comes packed with lots of changes, such as improved boot time, Nouveau as the default NVIDIA driver, and of course the latest and greatest version of various open source packages.
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Looks nice
by buff on Tue 9th Jun 2009 15:06 UTC
buff
Member since:
2005-11-12

Fedora 11 looks nice. Now when can I expect these nice changes/features to trickle down to my Ubuntu box? To be honest I like both distros. I like the new features feel to Fedora but I miss the ability to update the disto to major new versions the way Debian distos can. Downloading a binary installer is so... old school.

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RE: Looks nice
by UltraZelda64 on Tue 9th Jun 2009 15:39 in reply to "Looks nice"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

Fedora 11 looks nice. Now when can I expect these nice changes/features to trickle down to my Ubuntu box? To be honest I like both distros. I like the new features feel to Fedora but I miss the ability to update the disto to major new versions the way Debian distos can. Downloading a binary installer is so... old school.

Downloading an installer CD and reinstalling every once in a while is, IMO, the best, most reliable and cleanest way to do it... and there's little chance of harming your /home directory if you have it in its own partition and run the installer with caution.

However, I recall reading an article a while back about Fedora trying to make in-place upgrades easier. Not sure what the latest details are on that, though.

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RE: Looks nice
by AdamW on Tue 9th Jun 2009 16:22 in reply to "Looks nice"
AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

you can actually update between Fedora releases with yum, we just don't support or emphasize this method. If you ask our release engineering team and yum engineers they will give you a very long list of reasons why in-place upgrading can never be entirely a safe proposition. That's why we rather recommend upgrading via images or preupgrade, which can be made much more reliable. But in practice, some people do upgrade with yum and it often works. There's specific caveats for F10->F11 upgrading noted here:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum#10-11

some of the features of F11 are also in or partly in Ubuntu 9.04, I guess. Most of the rest should make it into 9.10. Fedora upstreams stuff pretty fast.

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RE[2]: Looks nice
by mawei on Tue 9th Jun 2009 19:24 in reply to "RE: Looks nice"
mawei Member since:
2005-08-02

you can actually update between Fedora releases with yum, we just don't support or emphasize this method.


Why not? Similar methods are supported on Debian, Arch and other systems.



If you ask our release engineering team and yum engineers they will give you a very long list of reasons why in-place upgrading can never be entirely a safe proposition.


Is this documented anywhere?

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upgrade
by yilativs on Wed 10th Jun 2009 10:44 in reply to "Looks nice"
yilativs Member since:
2006-11-23

I miss the ability to update the disto to major new versions the way Debian distos can. Downloading a binary installer is so... old school.


to upgrade without downloading binary installer run following two commands:

rpm -Uvh ftp://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/11/Fedo...

yum upgrade


here are some details.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq#Fedora_10_-.3E_Fedora_1...

PS Such approach works since RedHat 7.3.

Regards,
Vitaliy

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RE: upgrade
by jokinin on Wed 10th Jun 2009 11:42 in reply to "upgrade"
jokinin Member since:
2005-11-07

I would suggest upgrading using "preupgrade" package.
Just install it (it's in yum repository), run it, choose what version you want to upgrade, and it'll download and upgrade packages as necessary to get to latest Fedora version.
Only bad thing is once it has downloaded packages, you must restart, and wait for Anaconda to complete the upgrade process, so you can't use your computer meanwhile. But it does work: i upgraded from 9 to 10 without problems.

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